Your opinion the current state of speeder.

It should be 1.2 without OB (if I caught all of the speed bonuses) ..

After seeing how the random way burn damage is calculated, who knows ..

But, my best guess is:
0.83+(0.83×(0.45+1.344)) = 2.32 with max epic OB

 

The Speeder was not OP, hence so many Speeders got killed in 5 seconds after the battle started. You needed skill and determination. But I don't like it much either, although the Enforcer is much worse to play now. Yesterday a lot of people complaint in the Chill, but they get mocked by 1 or 2 who do like the new agility.

It is sad that the Devs did not listen to us and made a slider, so everyone can adjust the agility to their liking. For me it would have been much less, than what other players want or can handle.

Regards,
Flint

 

Yeah, maybe matchmaking could also be affected by the slider, that way it isn't crazy with different-agility battles

 

I think speeder is better than before now.
I had given up on speeder, and only used it for events before. But after the update, I can actually win a lot more games in ranked mode.

 

every ship when upgraded to mk7 get decent health plus defence.but apeeder gets merely 150 health.Speeders are the most weak ship now

 

Anyone got the feeling that speeder is too slow? Even at 1.74 speed and a nitro equiped, it still takes a while to move from place to place. I mean the name is speeder, why not make it speed capped at 2?

 

The problem is those kind of builds don’t scale. I can’t just mince into the middle of Fighthouse with my Rare TS, and start wrecking people. It’s not about ‘skill’, my TS would just break instantly, then I’d be stunned for four seconds. That means: no OB, no Nitro, I’d just be pootling along at 1.2 in front of the entire unfriend team. I’d be set on fire, and dead before I could even point my nose back towards our Fixer, as my doomed teammates all cry ‘Negative’ in unison.

If I had a t5 Epic TS, I’d be almost invulnerable at my level. But an OP item is not the same as an OP ship. Without such items, I have to depend on the ships own evasiveness for my survival, and it’s just not worth it.

That’s why Speeders are terrified that Enforcers will get TS nerfed. Enforcer could handle a nerf. Even without any yellow items, it can still dance and dish out plenty of damage. Speeder doesn’t have that kind of ‘built in’ power. Unless you’ve got endgame level TS or OB, it’s extremely difficult to engage other ships without taking more damage than you could possibly dish out.

I feel this kind of ham-fisted appeal to ridicule is beneath you. You have something important to add to this discussion: ships like bdziryan probably don’t need a buff, I’m inclined to agree with you on that.

However, not all Speeders can do what he does, and not necessarily because of ‘lack of skill’. The situation is more nuanced than that, as is the solution.

 

Just for fun, I decided to give it a go, and push out into the middle like bdziryan did (see how many shots I could land). Lasted all of 30 seconds.

https://replay.battlebay.net/MWDMKHVD#NFGDXGMH

Only one of my teammates spammed ‘Negative’ in the end, but everything else went almost exactly as I anticipated.

 

I don’t have an opinion on it but I absolutely hate how people in this game will chase a speeder the whole game well it’s 2v4 vs everyone else or 1v4. I hate that I’m mad over ppl being terrible

 

I'm half asleep so the ADHD is coming on strong ... but I'll try to keep my brain and fingers going at the same speed


Anywho, for one, I was serious. I'm preparing to switch main ships from red/blue to yellow purely for infamy pushing reasons, so I'm a fan of anything that makes them easier to play.

Second, I don't believe the TS is the reason why he's able to be so dominant. If you watch the replay, the TS seemed like more of an afterthought than a main strategy. He was popping out and dropping his grenades every time the cooldown was up - rather than waiting every 20 seconds for a TS.

Third, and the point of bringing the replay up, was to show that the setup is more than viable.

Obviously, if I expose my shooter to an entire team, I'm getting deleted in 2-4 seconds. Even 20k HP defenders get deleted in a matter of seconds when they bull rush a full team.

The difference with the speeder is that it's smaller (harder to hit) and more agile. Even if they get stunned from a TS popping, they can nitro off as soon as the first shot hits them. On top of being smaller and harder to hit, they also have the HP (or repair advantage) with 3 blue items rather than the 2 on a shooter (and I've tried not using a turbo on a shooter ... it's a very, very bad idea).


As far as scaling goes, I've made a number of suggestions (and very long posts) with the goal of progressing weapons and items on a set scale so that they maintain the same power relationship throughout the game. I've also said (many times) how early access to legendary weapons is a bad thing because it creates an imbalance at certain stages of the game (where a T1 legendary is severely overpowered compared to the mid-level rare items ships at that level are running).

However, even if those issues were fixed, it's still not going to change the setup, strategy or success skilled players are able to have with them.

Ignoring the question of which ship is better able to withstand exposing themselves to an entire team ... the fact remains that a speeder can chase me down when I'm at low health, pop me for 4-4.7k damage, and speed off. Even if I'm able to deal the same amount, they're better able to withstand the damage with the extra HPs or bandage repairing ... and I cannot chase them down to finish them off when the tables are reversed. They decide when and how to engage, not me.


So .. short of what I suggested (giving speeders double bubbles or nerfing the other four ships), I don't see any other solution - nuanced or otherwise - that would make the speeder easier to use (until they adapt and level the proper items for this meta anyways).

 

I can definitely corroborate that getting stunned is not as easy as one little hit and nitro away to safety, especially when it is from your shield breaking.

What tends to happen is you already have torps and FBs coming at you, as soon as people see you, and then suddenly *Zwoop* you can’t get out the way. So you’ll often get hit and splashed with a **** load of stuff before you get your controls back, and even then, you’re not safe. You can still be frozen/stunned/burning, and in a bad position. Expect to pick up more damage before you manage to limp to cover. If you’ve got more than half your health left, then you got off lightly.

With regards to controlling the encounter. I don’t think that’s quite as wonderful as it sounds either. You can choose when to fight, but no matter when you choose, you’ll probably be outgunned. It’s like trying to have a fist fight with a much bigger guy. You can bob and weave and run around all you want, but you can’t win unless you go in for an attack, and of course, that’s when he gets you.

 

Unfortunately, I'm having a drop of 1200 to 600. My win ratio is about 1:3 and I'm still dropping.

 

How come, is it due to the new agility?

 

I started dropping long before the agility update, but it's one of the reasons.

 

LMAO

 

I'm a mk4 in warrior... Lol I better climb up.

SupremeCalamitas, you have inspired me to start playing speeder again.

 

So .. Speeder is my favorite ship to play .. My gear isn't good enough to play at 4800+ with it yet .. but I'm not a complete novice with it.

We obviously have very different styles. I generally have a pretty good idea of where everyone is on the map - a skill I had to learn in order to play shooter well - so I'm rarely in the situation you described above.

I'm also rarely jetting around the map. I get to the flanking position I like, do my damage, and retreat to cover -- or do a driveby bombing (if there's cover on the other side of my victim or if they're within kill range).

Anywho, that's part of the reason dropping the turbo appealed to me .. it suits my speeder play style. Even if I'm tagged with a crit sniper or rail shot, it takes 15-20 seconds to fully recover with dual bandages.

I guess I should also mention that some maps are better or worse and certain areas on each map are good or bad for this particular playstyle, but that's the same with any ship/playstyle .. a fire bomb/mortar shooter wants an open ceiling, an enfo wants a covered ceiling, a rail/sniper user wants every map to look like midfight movies, a grenediar wants massive waves, and so on. You stick to the areas where you do well as often as possible.