(Suspended) For being creative. Prevent getting reported = 100% win rate?

Your mentality wants everyone to conform to what is accepted. Why are you restricting other's creative freedoms? If you are like this in the real world, well that is not good. The majority opinion is strong but there is such a thing as minority rights man.

 

It's a high-risk, high-reward style of play.
This sounds a lot like a typical Speeder experience.
Some games you get toasted in 3 sec.
Some games you draw all the fire, and even if you don't do much damage, you contribute a lot towards that win.
Why is a Fixer not allowed to do this? Especially if he finds a way to do it well?

 

I have also heard many times that going all mines or all torps or all mortars is a losing strategy, but I have also SEEN all three of those strategies used to out score both sides, into five digits of damage in a single battle, soooooooo...?

 

Okay personally I actually tried to all torp on my mk5 shooter and I dropped so much infamy I stopped getting normal rewards lol. Never tried all mine but I think you need at least one wep. I mean if anything those builds are more experience ruining to teams than mine. But I think that's the fun of it haha, doesn't mean I won't try those builds again in the future! Hope I don't get banned then too haha

 

I wouldn't use those strategies myself, but I just wanted to point out that my personal experience has shown me I can't assume other players are incapable of making them work and work really well, in some instances.

 

Sooooooo, you shouldn't REPORT the guy....
You should just let him lose (or win), and let his infamy rise/fall naturally.
Trust that he will get what he deserves.
But what you shouldn't do is click Report, because then if more people do it, he gets suspended.
Which, if you're honest is not what he deserves, or what you really want for him.
Because it's not what you would want for yourself for trying something unique, unexpected, and perhaps even valid.

 

Does Rovio manually investigate every click of the Report button?
Millions of players, millions of Report clicks each and every day, and only a few dozen devs (if that)?
Obviously they do not.
What they probably do is track users who get a certain # Reports in a certain # games, and when they exceed some threshold, the suspension is applied automatically.
That's when I would expect they then go and manually review the case.

I really hope Rovio is now looking at this guy's case, and looking at the thoughts expressed in this post.
Over half the people voting realize how the Reports in this case were unjustified.
I am alarmed (but not shocked) that nearly half think this guys deserves his account to be suspended for experimenting.
He should NOT be punished just because teammates don't immediately understand his potential use, and don't take the time before clicking 'Report' to think about how they want to be treated when they experiment.

The guy who uses 5 Mines? Should not be reported.
The guy who uses 4 Napalms? Should not be reported.
The guy who uses 3 Duct Tapes? Should not be reported.
The guy who uses 3 Gear Lubes? Should not be reported.
The Speeder who uses 3 Frost Blasters? Should not be reported.
The Defender who uses 5 Turbos? Should not be reported. He deserves to be educated though -- as there is a max speed limit.

In all these cases, if their strategy is viable, they will rise. If it is not viable, they will fall.
Just because you, as a special snowflake, do not appreciate the way he plays, doesn't mean he deserves suspension.

 

Look Miku I don't think your ban was just. It wasnt biased either. People reported you because they thought u were throwing matches and suiciding.
I think your ban was undeserved and misplaced anger from teams that lost. However keep in mind, that when u do run in and die from high dmg weapons, then to see in battle log ur running 3 duct taped, I wouldnt be surprised players report. So devs should manually review case and unban u but play more careful as this is a team game

 

If you say "I don't think your ban was just", and "I think your ban was undeserved", ... then you can't say moments later "I'd report as well."

I tried to explain in my post just a few minutes ago, that the Report doesn't just pop up on Rovio's radar as something to investigate.
If there are enough Reports in a short enough time span, suspensions are automatic.
Perhaps they are then manually reviewed, but I believe people are misunderstanding the cost someone else has to pay when too many players lose, and just click 'Report' out of irritation and eagerness to find someone to blame.

If you see someone rush in, draw a bunch of fire, start healing like crazy and try to rush out...
Even if he dies a horrible and sudden death, it should be pretty obvious what he was trying to accomplish.
I'd be laughing, but I would never report the guy.
He deserves his chance to try and play his way, and if he can find more wins than losses, more power to him.

@ Rovio - Can you please clarify my assumption regarding auto-suspensions. That would help everyone understand the potential impact of pushing Report just for being a little unhappy.

 

You're not wrong to use triple duct tapes, just like how a shooter could be running full mines and owning with it. In a just world, You don't deserve to be banned. But this is an imperfect world where your account's fate is held in the hands of public opinion via the report button.

Eventhough rovio claims to manually review reports on a case by case basis, I highly doubt they got the time to do that and instead relly on some algorithm to see how many reports you get within a time frame (and maybe looking at your damage for those games reported), and thus the automatic banhammer will fall.

So as long as this system is in place, people will still report you in those games where you fail miserably. You can either live with chance of getting a perma ban or switch to a defender with triple / quad bandages to do the same thing.

 

Alright, you have a point about the "id report as well". Honestly im not one to report, only do so if theres a player just floating or playing with like a mk1 ship.
What i meant by that is I am not surprised that players did report. If not to report players that look to be suiciding right off the bat, what would we report? This is a classic infamy tanker style, and if miku was a tanker, this would be an appropriate response. It obviously has happened enough to get banned. Consistently too. Sure he deserves his chance, and unfortunately its a team based game, and the players have decided they dont like that play style.
This is slightly contradicting, so stick with me.
Did it look like miku was suiciding when he did lose? Yes
Was he purposely losing matches? No.
Is it surprising he was reported enough to be banned? No
Should miku be banned for using this set up? No.
If they knew mikus intentions behind the set up would they report? No, and they shouldnt

This is just like the backlash @Joeyaa received for using common items and under leveled ships, which sometimes worked out really well for him, and other times didnt.

 

I feel like i should start a fundraiser for getting myself to MK6 with pearls. Only 500$USD
I'm sure not a soul would complain at Mk6.
For real though, 2 more months of grinding and risking a perma ban i guess lol

 

Miku Da Yo, I think your ban is unwarranted, and I hope it gets lifted soon. There should be no reason to ban because of your load-out. Duct tape is a part of the game and only became necessary when they nerfed the pulse. I started by playing fixer and found out real quick how they are treated (poorly, btw, by everybody).
Calling Battle Bay a team game is a stretch by any means. Communication is impossible. Trying to control or lead your teammates is worthless. In the end, losing is invevitable and is never only one persons fault.

 

Sadly, you cannot change the opinions nor mediate the anger of those people who think im trolling after the matches that i do not win. As such i will always get reported. 100% win rate is not possible. At best i have to try not to die too early.

 

If you are acknowledging here that you are not out there to heal...then what on earth are you doing in a fixer?? You are tanking your teammates...

 

@Miku Da Yo 39 I'm gonna be honest with you, I wouldn't want to play battle with you. Your build is just weird, funny tho (watched few battles it was awesome).
But I agree that you shouldn't be banned.
But obviously Rovio thinks otherwise, and because they started it, I'd like them to continue banning people like this - for example Shooters with 4+ mortars equipped or Speeders with 2 mines equipped (I don't see how their situation is different from yours).

 

Fixer is a "colorfull" ship that has lots of slots. So Its normal to see diffrent playstyles. I dont get who reports fixer for tri-tape. He is not suiciding or doing anything...

 

Have you ever thought that if the game shows "self heal" at the end game screen you would see how much damage i tanked for the team? Giving the team time to attack while at the same time dealing medium damage with a legendary sniper. With 2 turbos and a nitro and can act as semi speeder and kill low hp targets. How does this style of play tank my team?

 

People think i am throwing if we lose, or if i die first. Obviously there are games where i get bursted by nightmare weapons but apart from those, no one usually complains

 

I want to hop in this convo.

A 3 DUCT tape fixer isn't ideal.

But the game allows it.

The game also allows unlimited on any weapon or setup.

I DON'T think he should be banned.

If I was a fixer. I would 10000% do the same. It's a Wolf dressed in sheep skins.

It's clever. Very clever.

Now to player who got banned.

U need to not die first.

Hardly ever.

If I trying a new boat....speeder, per example. And died first every game whether my teams wins or loses. And barely crack 2k in damage. I can promise u... I will get reported.

There are times I knee jerk report boats who only rock mine and do zero damage.


So the bias really that exist here is. IT'S New. A novel thought. And Also. MILO. U have to do damage and not die first.

That will take off the sting for players whether ur team wins or dies.

A good rule of thumb for all here. DO MORE DAMAGE THAN H.P. ON YOUR BOAT.

If your boat has 6k.h.p. do at least 6k h.p.

If u can't do that. Change tactics, weapons, or boat.

And Milo. If you can't do this consistently. Consider a new layout. Or a new boat. Because mostly it does seem like you are being a Defender.
Best of luck to all. And maybe next time. Pause a beat before hitting report on a 3 DUCT tape fixer.