Suggestion - Bigger Fleets

A55A51N · 18 Dec 2017

Evilchicken235 said: ↑

Why isn’t 5v5 implemented yet?

It’s not because
(common misconception)

1. It’s too OP, top players will fleet together and dominate.

Not true, fleeting with high infamy players means long waiting times. The matchmaking won’t output a match unless it’s considerably fair. 2 top player fleets can take tens of minutes let alone 5 top player fleets.

2.Waiting times will be too long.

Not true again, if the waiting time is too long, it means the combined infamy of the 5 players is too high. Players will simply find a more suitable fleet. Same logic as 2 player fleets.

3. Special tactics and strategies will disrupt gameplay and create unbalance.

How is this even a problem? Don’t you guys want more interesting gameplay? If good tactics formulate people will find ways to beat it. Those players that go off on their own and plays without using their brains will drop to a significantly lower infamy level, therefore it’ll promotes skillful play more than ever. It’s going to put the game a step closer to Esports for sure.

I think some of the reasons are

1. The whole META of the game is going to be changed.

Items, perks, boat stats everything will need to be rebalanced when new OP strategies are discovered. With the current situation of the game, the devs probably do not have enough time to manage all this chaos. They already have enough problems to fix before they can create new ones.

2. It will kill some whales.

F2P players will finally have a level playing field(sort of). You won’t need superior weapons and gear when you have a skilled team. Many, many, many spenders do not have skill and they will not survive this META shift. Some may adapt by trying to learn, others will just quit due to the lack of accomplishment, by constantly losing to weaker geared opponents.

3. They’re waiting for the perfect opportunity to release.

They know that this will completely changed the game. It might mess the whole game up if they don’t get it right but if they do get it right, it will be the best update to ever come the game. So they have to get it right. It’s a one shot opportunity and they must make sure they have it all planned out without any flaws.

These are my personal thoughts, you don’t have to agree with them but please give me a rational debate if you don’t. Hopefully we can see 5v5 sooner than later.
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Only number 1 is a problem. Fleet of 5 top players (or even nightmare mk6s or 7s at 4000~5000) will be a one sided match. Fleet of 5 whales at any level would be unbalanced. The only way I’d like to see this is a separate game mode

Evilchicken235 · 19 Dec 2017

kurdish bndo said: ↑

if the players wait alot they simply will unfleet
players fleet to fleet with some players not to fleet with anyone is online
and you will never know who you are gonna face so you dont know which tactic to use that is specific to beat 1 or 2 or even 3 tactics but not all

now dont get me wrong guys iam not againts 5 players fleet but iam saying why probably it is not added yet and wont be added
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Yes they might just not fleet if they’re the in the top 10 because they’re not supposed to be fleeting in the first place. Otherwise, people will just fleet with more suitable partners. Just like it is with 2 player fleets now.

A55A51N said: ↑

Only number 1 is a problem. Fleet of 5 top players (or even nightmare mk6s or 7s at 4000~5000) will be a one sided match. Fleet of 5 whales at any level would be unbalanced. The only way I’d like to see this is a separate game mode
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According to what you say then 2 player fleet will have the same problem. But it does not.
No, it won’t be a one sided match. The matchmaking won’t give you a match unless it’s relatively fair. 5 Nightmare mk6s fleeting won’t get a match unless it’s against something fair. If there isn’t a fair match found, they will just have to keep waiting in queue. Just like 2 player fleets.

TheAntiSnipe · 19 Dec 2017

Evilchicken235 said: ↑

Yes they might just not fleet if they’re the in the top 10 because they’re not supposed to be fleeting in the first place. Otherwise, people will just fleet with more suitable partners. Just like it is with 2 player fleets now.

According to what you say then 2 player fleet will have the same problem. But it does not.
No, it won’t be a one sided match. The matchmaking won’t give you a match unless it’s relatively fair. 5 Nightmare mk6s fleeting won’t get a match unless it’s against something fair. If there isn’t a fair match found, they will just have to keep waiting in queue. Just like 2 player fleets.
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Precisely. 5 Titans matching against five dwarves? Wont happen. Huge matchmaking times will kill these fleets.

Epekka · 19 Dec 2017

exactly! what's the point of 5 player fleets if the waiting times will make nobody use it?
and guild quests... the problems people have with using ships they suck at for guild quests will be multiplyed x5. Fleets of 3 are the most I ever want.

kurdish bndo · 19 Dec 2017

If they added 5 players fleet it should be under the meaning of being in the same match
So they will be in the same match but separated randomly by the balance of ship MK
And also reducing the ability to fleet for infamy and ship difference

Epekka · 19 Dec 2017

we kind of got this in the update!

PastelPiku · 27 Jan 2018

kurdish bndo said: ↑

Hmmmm... Lets imagine if i mk5 enforcer fleet with 4 mk5 shooter the enforcer use double frost launcher and frost a player and then tell all his friend by skype ,discord etc... To shoot him with big berta and that player die immediately or any other tactic , completely unfair unlees it is a guild vs guild or five fleets vs five fleets and it will be rare to see double 5 player together and near in infamy and ships
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2 man fleets do fine with solo players, but couldn't this issue of bigger fleets be solved by pitting the fleet against another equal sized fleet? 3-5 man fleets up against other 3-5 man fleets, empty spaces can be filled with solo players and 2 man fleets. Sure, it'd make the wait time longer, but it'd be worth the wait.

NoTzHoNg · 28 Jan 2018

kurdish bndo said: ↑

Hmmmm... Lets imagine if i mk5 enforcer fleet with 4 mk5 shooter the enforcer use double frost launcher and frost a player and then tell all his friend by skype ,discord etc... To shoot him with big berta and that player die immediately or any other tactic , completely unfair unlees it is a guild vs guild or five fleets vs five fleets and it will be rare to see double 5 player together and near in infamy and ships
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No, it's fair cuz they all have to cooperate. And that's always a challenge

envylife · 28 Jan 2018

ViscountSniffit said: ↑

That is no more unfair than someone buying a legendary weapon and ‘one shoting’ other people all the way to the higher leagues.
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Ha, nice way to point out the elephant in the room everyone forgets about.

Right now you can fleet within 800 infamy. If you are allowed to fleet with 3 or 4 how about tightening that infamy range to within 400 or 200? At that point putting together an OP should be impossible unless infamy is broken. Oh wait...

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