Poll for upcoming balance update

If a player wants to switch to another ship -- a shooter and defender are basically interchangable (with items and crew talents). The enfo and speeder are with each other as well.

Then you have 3 categories of players: Shooter + Defender, Enfo + Speeder, and Fixer. The bb-stats shows it's close to 40/40/20 - so that's good.

But, interestingly, the leaderboard is 65-70% yellow, 20-23% red/blue, and 10-15% green ..

So, apparently, if you chose the red and blue team - and you wanted to win - you probably chose wrong ..

 

100% agree with speeders .. With speed, you can choose when to engage and for how long .. or you can force draws when you need to.

The Enfos are using an OB and shields w/out a turbo, so I'm not sure they can outrun me (or as easily) .. but I can't say for sure. They're not usually running.

They have 2 shields and similar hit points as my mk7 shooter with a max epic big and small shield (with all leg and epic HP perks)

 

The TS balance is fairly simple.. or it would be with an updated skill tree

Full damage potential vs full HP potential - same level and rarity. EC has the option of damage and fire perks. The TS has the option of HP and duration perks.

4 dmg perks breaks 4 HP perks
3 dmg / 1 fire breaks 3 HP / 1 Duration, but not 4 HP
And so on ..

If you want to use fire perks, you risk not being to break a TS .. if you want longer duration, then you risk weaker ECs popping your bubble ..

 

I still think Devs will just nerf Tesla Shield HP.

It would be like:

• If you want as much HP as you used to before they introduced HP perks (it was relatively balanced back then), just use all HP perks, but you'll have shorter duration.
• If you want as much duration, use duration perks, nothing changes here.

Now they have both, loads of HP and long duration. Making them to chose one would balance tesshields in my opinion.
(Basically what you wrote, I just posted another option to make this happen) .

 

For fire - fire damage should stop ignoring defense .. each tick should take defense into account, like how each projectile on missiles or carronade gets affected. Bigger ships have more defense, but they're so much easier to hit .. it balances out. I use both the Flare and FB, so I know how rediculous they are. And, I do feel bad for Defenders when I see 47 burning symbols floating over their ship.

For frost - cut down the slow by 50-67% (because 90% or whatever is just plain dumb), but stop removing the entire effect at the first bit of damage.

And, speeders are fine .. They choose the outcome of any 1v1 match (other than against other speeders) ..

 

To clarify: Nightmare League is dominated by yellows (mainly enforcers).

Enforcer:
• Main ship for 38.5%+ of players above 4500
• Some players are capable of reaching 5k+ within 24 hours after infamy reset using an enforcer
• When these ppl reach/secure a position in nightmare they switch to other ships (mainly shooter) to contribute to guild quests.

Shooter:
• Main ship of 27.6% of players above 4500 infamy
• Some players are capable of reaching 5k+ within 48 hours after infamy reset, but most shooters need one week to break 5k
• They rarely switch to another ship

Fixer:
• Main ship of 17.7% of players above 4500
• Many fixes are capable of reaching 5k within 24 hours after infamy reset
• They switch to shooter for guild quests

Defender:
• Main ship of 0.12% of players above 4500
• Some special cases like Grand_Paladin can reach 5k within 48 hours after infamy reset, but other defenders need at least 7-9 days to break 5k

Speeder:
• Main ship for 15.8% of players above 4500 infamy
• Some speeders are capable of reaching 5k+ within 24 hours after infamy reset
• Similarly, some speeders switch to shooter/enforcer for guild quests

To clarify: Speeder is op, but it's much easier for ppl to gain infamy using an enforcer. More than 20% of enforcers used to be speeders before ex-cannon nerf.


Im an old nightmare players, and I was one of the top players in nightmare for more than 4 months (Always in top25). I know everyone in nightmare league, so I know their main ship/setup...
I manually checked the list of players above 4500. I calculated all percentages listed in this thread.
@TheAntiSnipe
@xArrogance

 

I've played speeder and I understand how fragile they can be .. but I'm used to playing against the top speeders in the game and they're already near impossible to kill.

I probably hit 80+% of my shots and usually know when I'm going to miss before I let it rip (but still shoot in case they reverse course), but I probably miss 90% of my shots at speeders.

If they nitro, it's a miss (or unregistered hit).
If they rub a wall, it's a glitchy miss.
If they pop up a shield, it gets absorbed.
If they're literally driving through my ship or an ally ship (which is a crap mechanic), I can't hit them with anything other than splash.
They'll literally sit in the open or sit half in my fixer and work them until they get to half health, speed back to their fixer and be back 30 seconds later.

The only way you can kill a speeder at that level is if they make a mistake - get stuck on a wall, hit a mine, or are double/triple teamed. At mid-range, they can stop on a dime or swerve off.. so most weapons aren't hitting.

Anywho, I don't have an issue losing to speeders with that item/talent level ... but they don't exaxtly need any more help dodging shots until the busted mechanics are fixed imo.

 

I think the Flare heal reduction is a good counter for pulse and duct tape .. And it's about the only counter. But, you're right about the max defense .. I still think defense should have some effect - maybe 50% - since defense perks are dead anyways.

Agree 100% on the Fire bomb yolo circle. I think it's getting an area damage buff as well so even the outer most part of the circle can hit for 10 seconds - so removing the area damage could help - assuming the real time circle issues can't be solved.

 

Nice work on the stats!

I wonder how much the percentages change if you start at 4800.

 

Buff events
Buff NML rewards.

 

i'm neutral , so leave just like this , no need to buff nor nerf