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Frost + Big Torp

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Te rompi el tuje, 2 Nov 2017.

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  1. WaveMaker

    WaveMaker Active Member

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    yes i watched
     
  2. Miathan

    Miathan Well-Known Member

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    I don't know... it's a tough issue. I do feel like something should be done about frost blaster + big torp combo, but I'm not experienced enough with frost items to judge whether they're balanced in general (and I'm fixer so I have at least an overboost or nitro on me... shooters and defenders are the real victims of a frost meta)
     
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  3. Miku Da Yo 39

    Miku Da Yo 39 Well-Known Member

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    Instead of nerfing frost we can go look at my new items thread. OVERDRIVE BOOSTER/ PULSE
    A item that in 1 or 2 slot forms provide instant HP boosts varying from 100 -3000(Depending on gear level) To yourself or your teammates in a radius. The HP boost can go over your MAX HP but over a duration of 5 Seconds the boosted HP decays. Meaning every second you lose 1/5 of the boosted hp regardless if you are hit or not. Cool down 20 Seconds. Radius is the same as repair pulse for 2 slot version.
     
  4. *Rubber Duck*

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    I should start a thread on every OP weapon that almost one shots us speeders because of our low HP
     
  5. Te rompi el tuje

    Te rompi el tuje Member

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    do it. who prevents you from doing it?
     
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  6. Hodges

    Hodges Well-Known Member

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    This has no relevance to the topic, please remove.
     
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  7. *Rubber Duck*

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    Actually it does as its a joke in reference to ppl that think because they cant beat something they want it nerft instead of just dealing with it amd moving on to the next match. Alot of things could be considered "OP" in someones eyes. The threat to a speeder is just as bad as the threat of his frost torp combo. First the shield and bolt combo was 2 OP, now his frost and big torp is to OP.....WTH do u want us to use? Please do explain cuz in my eyes the Xcannon....Bcannon, mines, sniper crits, the speed of a normal cannon, the power of mortars amd the aoe is to OP when u have the lowest hp in the game....might aswell take out every boat in the game exept 1 and only have 1 weapon for everyone to use so we are all "fair"
     
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  8. TheAntiSnipe

    TheAntiSnipe Moon's haunted

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    I agree. But RD, you DO realise that speeders cannot be oneshot in lower leagues, BUT can give tremendous punishment? Im talking everyone below ace 1. The frost+torp turns ships into icebergs. I've been on both the sending and receiving ends of this combo, and, though it needs a high amount of skill and luck to pull off, it is TOO rewarding. I think this is the OP's issue.
     
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  9. TheAntiSnipe

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    Okay, hang on. To everone just entering this thread, I'll give you a summary and my views.

    Frost+torp is frustrating, it turns you into an iceberg with zero evasion chance

    Pros: Highly OP burst damage, insta-kill capability at high enough levels

    Cons: High risk, assassin speeder class build.

    Removing all the outrageous options, I see this: There's something wrong with the frost slowdown. It's scary, it's nasty, and it can kill you faster than you can react to it.

    Speeders: We have the lowest HP in the game, #leavefrosttorpalone

    Everyone else: You guys are being given TOO high rewards for HIGH risk. #getnerfed

    That's the score as I see it right now. Continue this debate from here, without repeating the established points. Lets keep it productive.
     
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  10. *Rubber Duck*

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    What options do a speed have to make themself usfull? Im asking for true feedback...what i see is the fire/xcannon and the frost torp...fire and xcannons OPness went down with the nerfs on stuns and shields (down not away) and now u start seeing more frost torp speeders so if this gets nerfed what do we change to next? Something that goes well with the purpose of a speeder (in and out flanker/destracter)
    There is ALOT bigher threat from frost launcher and mortars that could be changed withought effecting speeders very few "good" builds.

    Again, not being a smart ass, looking for serious answers that make running a speeder even useful....
     
  11. *Rubber Duck*

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    I to have been on the bad end of frost...with torps and mortars, i hate the mortars combo alot worse but i still deal with it as it happens maby once every 10 to 15 games maby. A mortar cant be dodged when frozen unless they are aiming for a different player, but a torp can if ur watching the player launching it (it happens more often than not when they are watching me launch it). And if i miss once i am done due to lack of HP and speed yellow items i choose to run this combo. So ether im dead or they are dead (shooter and below) and usually im dead anyway unless the player was off by himself.
     
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  12. *Rubber Duck*

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    A speeder with any set up is deadly in good hands, when i see another speed on the enemy team i am watching my map close...if i see that little red arrow pop up behind the team i turn around and keep a close watch on him and warn the team of him with a kill target command. If the team fails to focuse fire them that is not at fault of the frost torp combo that could wipe out the whole team. That is fault of the team not focusing on a threat that can be killed in most cases with 2-4 shots befor tje speeder evwn gets into good torp range. I habe 4 accounts from 3.5k, almost 2k, a 1k and a 500 infamy....i have been around evwry lvl of infamy other than 5k amd i play them each every week so i have been against all ranges of dang near every infamy. I have learned to play smart and to my advantages of evwry boat exept enforcer. One thing iv learned.....at some point, someone is gona come at u with something better and ur gona die. ...hit x and move to the next match is the best thing to do....are some things annoying ad hello* yes they sure are but saying its OP kust cuz its better than what u have or because u cant find a way to beat it doeant mean its op...big torp hits to hard? RUN MORE SHIELDS so u have more HP, everyone has blue slots for shields....u dont wana loose out on speed or a bandaid for a shield? Thats your problem not the big torp...u die alot because ur off by urself? Not the torps fault, does the speeder kill ur whole team with big torp? Not the torps fault.....ur team allowed him to run around and kill u all while they focuesd on the morter shooter way in the back or the guy right next to the speeder that has 14k health... srry i kinda got carried away there lol.
     
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  13. TheAntiSnipe

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    Happens to me as well. I use flare+blast. But what we are discussing is what to do about frost+torp.
    You're an old player. So you've seen frost + torp more times than I have. Basically, the problem has gotten to the point that targets are too slow to even try evading. Ain't nothing wrong with the combo in general, but due to the buff, it has become OP af in the right hands. That's the issue here. Nobody's bashing the users of this combo. But we need solutions to this problem. Lets see what we can do about it tho.
     
  14. *Rubber Duck*

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    The issue then needs to be with the speed reduced by frost....not anything to do with a torpedo am i right? Cuz the title of this and another post are involving the torp and also complain about its damage. Srry if i got defensive on that part of the topic. I could care less about how much frost slows a target...nerf it all they please but dont mess with torp damage or the perks it gets from frost. I dont use frost for its slowness (i can lead a big torp kust fine) i use it for the buff in damage cuz i know if i dont get that kill they will get it on me.
     
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  15. TheAntiSnipe

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    Precisely my point. That's why I decided to do my summary post. Devs, you need to do something about the slowdown rate, that'll keep everyone happy.
     
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  16. The Grim Repair

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    Hey guys - appreciate all the feedback! We hear it loud and clear. I can’t make any specific statements on what will be changed balanced wise and how - please wait for a new hot fix or patch.

    As this discussion has also been going on in the thread Miathan linked already on page 1 I’m closing this one - as merging threads at this stage would just be too chaotic a read.

    If you want to continue the discussion though, please go there.
     
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