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Balancing Changes on July 14th

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Stebbi, 12 Jul 2017.

  1. Zangetsu

    Zangetsu Well-Known Member

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    That's true but these kind of things have an impact for stupid people but I agree there are more important issues in this game. Also fair enough they're trying to make an underused item viable again; still don't think it's enough but we shall see.
     
  2. *Rubber Duck*

    *Rubber Duck* Well-Known Member

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    Yea all speeders get hit but the hit is harder on the higher lvl guys because they have more hp % buffs then let's say a mk3 does am I correct? Meaning a mk3 may loose overall 300 hp but a mk6 or mk7 could loose 800 or even 1k+ because they run more captain buffs and more perk buffs.
     
  3. Joey who

    Joey who Well-Known Member

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    Nerfs are usually for the top players because they spend money so their rants are louder than us low guys :p
     
  4. Clintastic

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    I'm not complaining about any of these changes. Devs know what they are doing.
     
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  5. Zotah

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    But the 2 to 1 slot change is welcome in order to start using at lower level (MK5) or planning for it if you are an MK4.
     
  6. Captain Pi

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    Well, i have to explain, why mk5 fixers are relatively high in their league while there are quite few(5) in the world rank (1-50) : Imagine a game where
    FRIENDS vs UNFRIENDS
    Strong fixer strong speeder
    normal Speeder normal shooter
    normal shooter normal defender
    normal defender normal shooter
    weak enforcer weak enforcer
    Case(-s) in which the first team wins:
    1. The unfriends team waits and attacks slowly without killing anyone (because of the strong healing ) (strategical mistake)
    Cases in which the other team wins:
    1.Their team's best speeder drives into the other team and kills the (strong) fixer and dies (equal chances)
    2. the important case, in which a normal player suicides(imagine a speeder with a carronade) and kills the strong fixer. the unfriends win because they have better players (they miss a normal player while the friends miss a strong one)
    This case is different when the friends have a weak fixer instead of a strong one. If a normal player suicides to kill the lowbie fixer, the unfriends will loose because they miss firepower. In the other case they will loose as well because even a weak fixer can win through waiting (and fixing). Therefore, it's not the fixer in general, which is overpowered, it's the infamy-relative low fixer, which is while higher fixers are lowpowered. So it's a matchmaking issue, because the matchmaking rates all fixers equally, despiting their team-relative weights and strengths. Additionally it explains why there are so few fixers in the top 50 (10% and those 10% are only located in the ranks 25-50).
    Mit freudlichen Grüßen,
    Captain Pi
     
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  7. B2B

    B2B New Member

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    I'd consider the missile as receiving a tweak as opposed to a nerf. The changes made to it were necessary. Players need to know that there's a chance to escape fire, which missiles in their current state didn't leave much room for, if any.

    Big torp seems fine. Its travelling speed sets a good standard in terms of balance. Any issues with splash dmg hitting nearby debris or teammates is a result of lack in player awareness. Sometimes you won't notice it until it's too late but that again is player awareness. You can't avoid them all.
     
  8. Fiesty Wombat

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    Hey. There is a pretty simple, elegant and realistic way to deal with hp vs speed ya know. You should be considering it.

    Very easy... Armor weighs a lot. The more armor you add, the more speed and maneuverability you loose.

    You want a 6000hp speeder? That's cool. It will be as fast as a mk4 shooter with fewer slots.

    Have a nice day.

    This should extend to ALL ships in some regard. It will encourage users to balance hp vs speed and their own style of play as well as their weapons systems.

    Its fair, obviously balanced and nobody can bitch about it because it's undeniably fair and user directed.

    Which is nothing like most of your changes so I don't see how it can be considered... Meh
     
  9. Fiesty Wombat

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    How dare you make sense and apply logic to this highly emotional issue full of knee jerk reaction and utter lack of foresight.

    Oh... Something something balance.
     
  10. P0rthos

    P0rthos Well-Known Member

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    All of these changes are indirectly helping other boats like the defender. But I still hope for a little boost in defender hp and defense. Even a 300-500 base hp boost and a 10 point defense boost will help a ton. I'd be satisfied and on my merry blue way.
     
  11. Renev

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    Sometimes when I dodge it, my teammates don't and I receive the damage :(. I can accept the splash damage but when it's not entirely your fault, I don't think I should get similar damage to the one that get hits directly. And compared to tritorp, bigtorp have a closer range of attack which makes them easier to hit.
     
  12. Fiesty Wombat

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    BTW... There are in fact torps and mines out there doing 2k Ish damage down under 1500 infamy.

    This IS huge problem and some sort of limits on offensive capacity based on the waters in which one sails with some of these weapons should be considered.

    I know you want to sell legendary weapons and that's fine but if you actually want a balanced game you need to account for this issue before you tweek missles.
     
  13. LimeOnMars

    LimeOnMars Well-Known Member

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    I was expecting a little love for enforcers :(
    And big torp splash damage reduction :eek:
    But nice changes btw
     
  14. Helius Maximus

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    16k for defender? How? I barely can make it 9k. Even with aditional shield I can scratch 9.5k, but not 16k, don't even @henrisonmd have that much. I'm level 38 and frecuently battling speeders with way more HP than me. So, this nerf is very wellcome, speeders are not meant to be fast defenders.

    Thank you devs for this one.

    Cheers!
     
  15. lolawola

    lolawola Active Member

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    looks like everything has been said already.
    imo the hp nerf should have been done in the first place. now the OB nerf looks personal. survivability of low lvl speeders is already low.

    this type of balancing SHOULD have been done during soft launch. doing it now in a game where collecting and upgrading items takes months, if not years will just piss off a lot of players. once you invest your time into specific boat, its impossible to make the switch right away.

    if splash dmg is problem for you, dont stand next to your teammates or walls. torps miss more often than hit, so they compensate with high dmg and splash, same as mines.
     
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  16. PepeButtCrack

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    But you're OK with the speeder HP nerf. You're nuts.
     
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  17. Johnnieday

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    Nope. He has no idea.
    Probably a weak noob, asking for nerfing everything, again !
     
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  18. Johnnieday

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    You are a speeder, you see a big torp coming and you don't move away from them ?
    That's YOUR problem !
     
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  19. Helius Maximus

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    Of course he is, we Defenders all are, speeders stun, freeze, dodge, scape and have too much HP that in a 1v1 fight the speeder wins every time. I don't know yet how much this will help us, but it sure sounds pretty good so far.
     
  20. KilleWh4le

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    Very nice patch i love it so much
     

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