Make Defense Points Better

Based on a recent thread https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/difference-between-defense-and-hitpoints.14894/ it has been made clear how much better HP perks are than defense perks.

Perhaps defense should be reworked to act as a % of the damage received. The total base defense and perks would need to be balanced of course.

For starters, why not take def points and divide it by 4 to convert it to a %. So defender with 50 def points base would reduce incoming damage by 12.5%. Total epic perks of 36 on one item would reduce damage by another 9%. I do not recall what the total defense points are added via training, but a mk6 defender with say 8 epic defense perks could reduce all damage by about 35%

Seems balanced given the number of damage perks you can add. Cannons can add 32% with perks alone. Its even higher considering training and frost/fire perks.

Thoughts?

 

Everyone with a carronade will go apes.

 

I agree with @CaffeinatedChris. To use round math (ignoring perks and training), a legendary carronade does 100x5 damage. If a defender has 80 defense today, that stops 80% of the damage and only 100 damage is going to get through. Using my suggestion and dividing 80 by 4 to turn it into a %, then the defender would stop 20% of the damage and let 400 damage through.

If you think about it, the % reduction will be extremely helpful vs the one shot high damage weapons (torp, rail gun), while also improving the multi-shot / low damage weapons like carronade and standard cannon.

It makes so much sense. Please consider this Rovio!

 

Doesnt make sense to me,Burst damage gets doomed.High damage weapons like Railgun have loong reaload time,And worst DPS just because it has high damage.% reduction will do the same to burst damage weapons,What the current defense is doing to carronade.

I would suggest something

Defense perk help in

1) Increased passive healing(From pulse,Tape and bandage)

2) Decreased passive damage(Fb,Fg,Naplam,grenade)

3) Assisstance to tesla shield.From what i know current defense perks do not affect Tesla shield,as a result of Which T shield Suffers Full damage negating defense perk effect

All of these bonuses in added % with respect to amount of Defense perk equipped.
(For eg 100 defense points give +10% healing
-5% damage from passive weapons)

 

I don't mind exploring other options, but having the defense perk tied to other equipment would seem to unbalance the other equip. I do like your options though and they could easily become their own perks. From your list, I like #2 best. How about a Carbon Fiber perk that speeds up the duration of fire, stun, and frost. Maybe cut the duration by 50% max or something. Defense perk can have unlimited options to reduce damage and all would be better than what we have.

I admit the % idea would need to be properly balanced. If you could reduce your damage by 25%, then the hp perk could become extinct easily. I just see the % reduction being the direct balance and counter to all the % buffs every weapon in the game gets.

What if we had a perk that increased your speed by x% for 5s if you got hit? Could be used to get out of the way or to make a defender charge into battle! So many options.

 

Beat me to it. There is a cap on speed and at some point you dont add more turbo. I am ok with that. Love the math BTW. I know we are looking at the defender mostly (since that might be the litmus test for being unstoppable), but this change would be very helpful to all ships with shield.

 

Only thing I want to see is an increase to max defense from 100 to 200. I don't understand why the defense cap is so low. Give us a good reason to pick defense points over health points please @Miika @The Grim Repair @Zeus @SirCornedBeef

To reach 200 defense would take lots of epic perks and T4E/T3L shields so it wouldn't be easy to get to in lower leagues, and in high leagues fire + blast cannons or ex cannons aswell as sniper crits already reach 2k damage so 200 defense wouldn't be overpowered.

Right now I find defense beneficial when you get crit by a sniper cannon, because your defense points help you 2.5x more than usual and carronades but it's just situational

 

Ok, no carronade love

 

Carronade is already pretty bad against defense. But I personally believe that carronade perks should, instead of adding damage, add defense penetration. I.e. common 5%, rare 10%, epic 15%. Making max possible defense penetration 60% (I would also add 2 swift trainings for 5% each) making max defense penetration 70%.

In-case "defense penetration" wasn't clear to some, it would make it so if an enemy has a defense of 100, and your carronade has a defense penetration of 70% it would be as if your enemy only has 30 defense.

 

BUMPPPP

 

All I want is make defense also helps defend against fire damage but in a percentage value

 

I agree that Defense perks are sub-par. I've always been unsure why it applies to each projectile, and as such I would simplify by applying to total damage by the weapon shot. At that point you can move to higher points or % of overall damage without having to worry about further tweaks to carronade and missiles.