On the Subject of the Sniper Cannon

Hey make carronades range even longer please, I am finding it very hard to use without getting hit by enemy team.

 

Wrong thread, but flanking is a good tactic that might help you.

 

Thing is, when you're having just 2k hp you basically make yourself everyone's first target. If they nerf sniper, what next? You gonna come back and complain when people one-shot you with their ex-cannon or railgun? Get some shields on your boat and you'll notice people actually don't want to target you so much anymore.

In my opinion sniper is already well balanced in the nightmare league gameplay, and that's the only place that should really define what items should get buffed or nerfed. If it's a problem in the lower leagues, then the answer is not to nerf the entire weapon rather than just make some balance changes so that the full potential unlocks only at the higher levels.

 

At least with ex cannon you have be within a reasonable distance of the person. And it's 2 slot points.

And railgun has no crit, a relatively low projectile speed, and no firing arc. And, again, it's 2 slot points.

But sniper; lazer projectile, massive range, a crit that hit's for a bc+flare combo or more, without any risk to the user. And it's only 1 slot point

 

Sniper is a kind of weapon that's not the easiest to dodge. I've dodged countless numbers of ex-cannon shots by dancing and going under waves as they shoot. My speeder has exactly 1700 health [and is in Master II(Master I next season) like the @TheAntiSnipe said), and I survive quite long in a battle, unless I'm stupid enough to stop right before a big torp(or mine) thinking that I'm an enfo. If I have a speeder that's carrying a sniper and chasing me, I'm practically dead meat. And like @ThatOnion said, Sniper Cannon is a 1 slot weapon compared to ex-cannon and railgun and is about 10x easier to use(I've used all three on my alt account).

 

You are right here and that's pretty much what I said in my earlier message too. The answer is not to nerf the entire sniper because then it would become too weak in end-game. Much better if they could just adjust the talents etc and make you unlock the full potential later when you should be mk6 or higher already.

 

I feel all your pain about getting hit by snipers.
But I have to say. Adjust your tactics and adapt.
My boat of choice is defender.
This by far is the easiest boat to hit.

I am well know for charging like the juggernaut from x men as a tactic on the bay.
But with that said. I use a suggestion i learned from porthos regarding how to succesfully use defender. And i write it here for everyone who is complaining about sniper. If u use this tactic u wont have a sniper issue. How to get close enough to your unfriend target without getting hit before you can fire back? According to Porthos.... use the map to your advantage. Steer boat forward and hug walls items etc. Where the enemey ship cant see u.
Realize according to devs. The line of sight issue is a Big deal. This is how it works. Without a scout ship. All 5 unfriends boats are blind. Ie. No radar. Even then the line of sight doesnt go thru rocks or solid items.
Sooooo. As a defender i charge thru blind spot items over and over again and usually land my entire massive h.p. right on unfriends boats hardly ever touched before I have fired the very first shot.
Soooo how will this help low h.p. boats like speeders and enforcers? Use the map. Use the hiding spots attack first. And jet out whenever u get hit and go to fixer boat for health or use a bandage.

Or if enforcer. Get a tesla shield. Will save u from critical damage of sniper. I have heard many good speeder enforcers at my guild. (Rebellion #1 guild in the bay) say...if u feel your tesla shield will get broken. Hit the overboost or nitro. So at least if it gets broken. U are already speeding away.

Notice. All of this is tactics. We all started where u are. We adapted and improved. U c an too. Best of luck in the bay.

JAWS

 

Hmmm lets just say that as a mk4 who used to run striaght into the torps eventhough I m speeder, I dont think snipers are the biggest problem. Anyone who has fleeted with me sees that I might run towards a sniper or excannon. The things is at master leagues they dont crit that much, even snipers, not so much that u should be worried

 

The problem is as a mk4 speeder with mortars going to to a mk5 with an carronade is a very big jump. Huge changes in set up are needed. That is why I cant even get to master 1 or ace yet./

 

At my infamy, I get crit for a minimum of 900. For a 1 slot-point weapon that is usable at any range and one that is easy to hit with, that is a bit too much. Just wondering, you said that you don't think snipers are the biggest problem... then what is?

It takes time, my friend. I changed from a blast cannon+flare gun speeder to a swift torp+mine speeder.
But your change is much bigger. Just keep playing and you will get better.

 

The trouble is, you can dodge and weave and use cover like a champ, but it doesn’t help because the sniper is just as powerful up close, and easier to hit with.

All you’ve done ‘at best’ is evened the odds. If you need to work that hard just to be equal, then it proves how unequal (and unfair) the weapon is starting out.

Of course that’s the best case. Ordinarily, getting close just earns you the popular award. So your choice is either: hang back and get sniped by someone you can’t hit. Or creep forward, and then get sniped by everyone. That would be dilemma enough if the weapon were weak like a cannon, but the damage is colossal to boot.

 

Doesnt prove your point.
I gained nitemare as a shooter mk2 thru mk5 and still used these tactics to avoid the countless mortar spammers.

I was much more concerned about mortar this. And mortar that. Then ever sniper.

All points shouldnt be circumstantial.
What it happening now is evidence presented by all side is based off each individuals bias.
And then presented as fact.
Or another way to say. If one wants to look for a red prius. Soon u will only see red prius's everywhere. They always were there. But now u notice it.

I challenge all here to now pay attention to how many times a flare kills you, or better yet....how about the next time a explosive cannon kills u. Next time on the bay this week. U will be killed by these unfair weapons over and over again.
Look for my boat and I will help u with this challenge.

• Because now u remember to look for it. Always was there.
• Enjoy being freaked out by flares and ex cannons now

 

I think sniper is the only weapon that depends heavily on perks.Crit chance perk are just too good and if you remove good ones and add uncommon ones sniper is just another crap weapon.

The same doesnt apply to all weapons,Where the increase in weapon damage/Range according to perk rarity is just good enough to have some significance.....

 

Lol ur items are so good for mk4, and I have changed my setup over dozen imes causing my set ups having lessly levelled items than other people at my level.
But we are speeders with low life and 900 crit on me doesnt matter as i will just hide out afterwards with bertha. With carronade, its a different matter.
And also I have run straight into torps and mines thinking I wont lose much life ( suicidal I know) when really I get destroyed.
Sniper damage at our level is too low without crit and really all these mk5 shooters with blast cannons with 700 damage are more potent.
I really dont know what the problem is but its not weaponry as such like snipers. Maybe other items should be buffed

 

If I would prioritize training my crew over leveling my items(I finally started training again 2 days ago, after a 2-3 month break), I would be like captain lvl 35 [and would have shit weapons, but... lol]
Torps are easy to evade personally, but mines are a speeder-carronade user's worst nightemare.
Sniper at all levels(let's just forget about T5 leggy) has low damage(about the same as a standard cannon), but at my infamy, I see a T4 epic sniper every other game(slight exaggeration). Blast cannons have much shorter range, slower projectile, so obliviously they do like 700 damage(even at my level) without crits.
Also the only items I see need a buff are the 2 frost items.

 

I wish people would stop saying that Blast and Explosive cannons are just as bad. I run those weapons, and going up against snipers feels like I’ve brought a rock to a gun fight.

And people are like: “but the rock really hurts... just run up to the gunman, and lob the rock at his head”, as if the range or accuracy is even comparable.

Sniper is not underpowered without the crits. The range and accuracy means you can land 2-3 times as many shots as you can with short range weapons. It’s supposed to be less powerful to make it fair, but the crit chance completely circumvents that, and ends up making it more powerful for no drawback, at all.