Is this fixer Extremely lucky?

I wouldn't know where to start. I have a penchant for remembering the names and setups of players I've been matched with in NML, but I do not recall seeing you.

 

I don’t understand how his comparison has a flaw in it? What about Speeders who use one BC? Enforcers? Fixers? By comparing single items, you are analyzing the weapon a ship decides to use compared to its rival at that moment, rather than the period of time it takes for a ship to use all of its BCs or ECs.

 

Interesting point!

Let's see how the damage per second changes when we look at 5 BC vs 4 ECs.

A shooter running 5 Blast Cannons averages 148 DPS for each weapon (5*148/5) .. Or has a total DPS of 740.

A shooter running 4 Explosive Cannons averages 129 DPS for each weapon (4*129/4) .. Or has a total DPS of 516.

Major flaw solved?

 

By your logic, devs should nerf standard cannon first, because I'm pretty sure its DPS is even higher than BC.

I'm saying this for the last time, both are viable options. If you prefer higher burst and splash, you go for explosive. If you look at higher dps, or are Enforcer, you go for blast.
As it's still THE MOST USED RED ITEM IN THE GAME, buffing it would be just plain stupid. Still every ship prefers EC over BC in more than 2:1 ratio. Facts.

But you're not gonna understand any reason, and I'm probably wasting my time here anyways, so I'm just gonna wish you good luck making EC overpowering again. Try to insult even more people, that might make the devs buff it sooner .

I'm outta here.

 

Joe brought up the ST/BT comparison. Can't swim brought up the dps by boat comparison. Why is my fault if I work it out for them?

And, two cannons with nearly the same stats make DPS a little more relevant. Your standard cannon logic applies if I was trying to compare 2 completely different items - like a mine and grenade.

I simply said that the "splash damage" portion was overrated .. I would gladly take the same DPS over the splash. Obviously, I would take the blast cannon over the EC if it didn't kill my sniper - a conflict that makes no sense.

I understand that you don't want anything encroaching on enfo dominance - THE MOST USED WEAPON AND SHIP ON THE TOP OF THE LEADERBOARDS! I understand that it's a difficult concept to grasp of why that's a better measure of what's dominant - rather than what people are stuck with due to previous leveling or lack of options due to skill tree conflicts.

Anywho, I wasn't insulting anyone. I thought he was being sarcastic. I didn't know that he literally didn't understand what I was saying well enough to respond to it.

I forget that what's a normal level of processing and understanding information to me - someone that scored in the top few percentile of every standardized test they've taken - is going to be different from most people. For every person like me, there is a person on the opposite end of the spectrum - and many more somewhere inbetween.

 

NERF $Tandard caNNoN because if you use 5 of them the dPs is MEGA OP!!!

 

This is asinine and completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Nobody is asking for standard cannon nerf. Nobody is asking for blast cannon nerf. The point is that IMO blast cannon is better than it's 2-slot counterpart the explosive cannon and nothing stated here has proven otherwise.

 

El oh el

 

Awesome charting man.

WIth my T5 epic EC w/ 2 legendary non-fire damage perks and only missing one of the 5% + splash damage training levels, I still can't burst many of the bubbles with a single EC shot. I'd rather have more opportunities to fire at a shorter cooldown.

Also I appreciate that you guys think I missed his sarcasm, I think the post and formatting were meant to trivialize the discussion. Real mature.

 

Welp, I'm likely getting banned after this post - for sharing my personal opinion - because, let's face it, trolls are encouraged but my personal opinion is to be censored and reprimanded.

Anywho, for anyone interested in learning what you have to look forward to once you get into NML ... I'll tell ya the little secret the Enfo cult is trying to hide.

First off, the table was cute .. and misleading IMO.

• Does it account for TS HP perks? No
• Does it account for the 22% less projectile speed (that might be relevant for hitting faster, more agile ships)? No
• Does it mention you're getting slammed with the trifecta fire-combo for every one shot you get through their shield (i.e., 6,648 dmg vs 1871)? No
• Does it mention the EC costs 5% shooter HP, or 5% range and burning damage, if you want to use a sniper as well? No
• Does it make it seem like the EC is still a great item to build? Yep

Why is there so much effort put into keeping the Enfo secret? (in "MY PERSONAL OPINION")

The DB Enfo meta has only increased in strength over the last 8+ months. As time goes on, you'll see more and more of them. And it's not going anywhere. The sheer size of the nerf required to dethrone the meta would break the game. So, they're trying to keep it a secret to delay the inevitable: 8+ Enfos in every match.

Why would that be an issue? Enfo on Enfo matches are exceedingly boring and take forever to finish. Either it ends in a draw or one is finally dealt enough grenade splash damage after 3 minutes to die. It's far more fun to pick on shooters and defenders behind 2-shot shields - so is it any wonder you're encouraged to keeping building yours?

Want to see for yourself? Keep watching the leaderboard (and notice how people have even started switching off their Enfo setup when they log off).

2-shot shields
A lot of the upper tier Enfos are using dual HP perks, 1 leg perk, and one duration perk. This absorbs your max epic (full dmg) EC and most flare guns. Add another HP perk and it's all epic flare guns. And, it's only a matter of time before they come out with a Tshield HP + Cooldown perk to buff the TS further.

EC Nerfs
Looking at its history - The EC & Fire Combo was overpowered, so it received a:

• Splash Damage Nerf,
• Cooldown Nerf, and
• Range Nerf

And, there was some balance for a time .. But, the rise of the DB Enfos brought about an unintended nerf for the EC. In order to maintain an equal item-for-item trade with the Enfo, you were forced to forgo your fire perks and bonus fire damage in favor of full damage perks and talents.

Then TS HP perks came along - and the EC stopped popping shields. Another nerf by relation. Is the EC still a good weapon vs other ships? Sure. But your infamy ceiling is going to be limited based on how well you're able to deal with DB enforcers. The long cooldown and inability to pop the TS makes the EC a relic of a time passed.


In other words, if a Shooter trades two heavy weapon shots for two TSs, the Enfo and Shooter each have 3 weapons remaining. The Shooter has more HP but the Enfo is faster and more agile. If, however, it takes a Shooter 4 shots to eat through the 2 Enfo shields, the Shooter has one weapon remaining to the Enfo's three - and there is no contest.

You could, of course, use the last remaining DB TS counter - dual rail guns (assuming you're able pull 12 duplicates). But, the Enfo is simply going to speed off, force the draw or take pot shots until you're sunk.

Anywho, IN MY OPINION, that's why you're seeing the Enfo fanatics feverishly defend the DB with the propaganda that "everything is properly balanced." And, it's why they lash out so viciously at any heretic that dares share their personal opinion.

Side note: let's watch how my personal opinion is treated .. let's see if YerJokinArnYer defends my right to have a personal opinion

 

If he’s a lucky Fixer, then I’m a miracle worker.