Item popularity snapshot - June 2018

If u watch top 50 enforcers. They 85-95% save the unfriends enforcer for last.

They don't even bother dealing with an enforcer. And when they run into another enforcer early game. They run away. Overboost or nitro out of there. Watching 2 enforcers fight can take minutes. I have seen 1vs1 enforcers end game take 2.5minutes to finish a kill. The tesla shield delays them badly.

That's how top enforcers deal with each other.

 

Yeah. But lower down. Lets just say it gets really messy, I found that double bubble enf was good at keeping the capture zone. A bit like a defender really. But the only problem is that at mk5, you don't have any other yellow items to help you so you go as slow as a defender.

 

It's a good question ... Based on the ones I've seen, Jaws is spot-on about them taking 2 to 3 minutes.

I'm sure there's a fair amount of strategy and skill that goes into it, but it's a bit like watching paint dry.

 

Guys, but nobody said, you, as a defender, have to deal with Enforcers.

If you'd rush enemies to destroy Enforcer, well then you deserve to lose.
Isn't it easier to destroy fixer or most DPS shooter?
Yes I am Enforcer also, but it has never happened that defender rushed us to destroy me. That's illogical.

Plus, as @YerJokinArnYer said, Enforcers deal with each other, so obviously, levelled up those weapons are effective against Enforcer.

Also, this discussion we have isn't about Enforcer right? Snapshot showed, that Enforcer (at least MK7), is overpowering. So your argument that "those weapons won't work against double bubble" is irrelevant, because as defender buff is needed, Enforcer nerf is needed also.

 

Plus, dunno who said it here, that Enforcer got many buffs lately, not sure what game you playing.
It got only one HP buff lots of time ago (half a year?)..
Only things that made Enforcer shine were nerfing counters (frost +torp and stun), which, as snapshot shows, are extremely underpowered.

Balance those, buff defender and I'm pretty sure everything would get better in the Bay.

 

I doubt it'll help, but I'll try to clear up some of the misunderstanding.

If the snapshot is remotely representative of the top 500, (and based on the number of 5+ enforcer matches I see, I believe it is), then, yes, you will have to deal with enforcers. Defenders can't deal with them was the point.

Yea .... I didn't see anyone suggesting to ignore everyone else and suicide rush the enforcers. So, either I missed those posts or someone is feeling paranoid.

Again, I don't think that's what he said. I thought he asked a question.

You completely lost me here ... MK7 enforcer is overpowering but needs a buff?

And ... how the limited number of Tshield counters might lead to less variation and higher usage rates than you would see if not for one arguably overpowered item. It seems relevant to the discussion ...

So nothing else makes them shine? Really ...

So buff enforcers and buff yellow items, and toss defenders a bone and all is good? .... seems rational.

 

There two factors in carrying teammates single handedly
1) Dealing damage as you described
2) Survivability

While Defender has huge hp, enforcer has manuever (dance) and tesla shield,speeder has Small hit box and nitro to dodge,fixer has self heal...Shooter doesn't have any of those attributes in Survival factor..After all you need to actually survive also do deal more damage.

 

I don't think good Defenders typically allow shooters to ignore them and pick off teammates but I take your point. It certainly happens.

And it could be one reason you don't see as many defenders on top .. I tend to think they're less scary when they have to load up on damage perks for somewhat of a Tshield counter rather than having the power to nail me for 7500 in a 3-shot fire combo, but it could be a mix of the two points for all I know.

Along the same lines, if it's 1v1 at the end, a DB enforcer can likely take a defender, an ill-equiped shooter, or fixer .. but they also have the ability to run and force a draw, thereby reducing the number of losses ..

I've had a few 1v1 fights with uneeq where it was impossible for me to catch him long enough to break his shield and get a 2nd shot in. He either slowly picked me off with his flare or pulled out the draw.

I imagine that's another reason Enforcers are so well represented.

 

But remember guys. Defenders have the highest win percentage in the bay so it's still very overpowered compared to other boats. I suggest speed and hp nerf to mk7.

 

Edited my mistake, I'm sorry for confusing you, meant Enforcer nerf is needed as much as defender buff is needed.
And no, defender isn't supported to win 1v1 with Enforcer, because Enforcer is a duellist ship (just like speeder).

To the last point, there's clearly written buff DEFENDER and balance those (counters to Enforcer) and it'll be balanced.

Edit: and @YerJokinArnYer's question was rhetorical question. Google it.

 

I appreciate you editing your mistakes and finishing sentences. It makes your comments easier to read.

lol .. You have some sense of humor

^^ end of his comment.

 

You make some good points, especially about the EC .. but I've resigned myself to the fact that it's probably not coming back with these usage rates.

And, I don't have an issue with the double bubble or the duelist class (or how it's lessened the number of dual/trip-snipers, burn stacking setups, or speeders) .. The issue I have is that players are restricted to a few weapons (and the perks they attach) if they want to somewhat counter the hoard of Enfos.

If the Tshield HP's were knocked down to 11-1200, missiles, cannonades, blast cannons, and grenades would be viable alternatives. Likewise, for the players making it to nightmare league with their rare weapons (or less than max epics), they'd at least have a shot at competing. Right now, if it takes you 2 shots to break a Tshield, you might as well give up. The next Tshield will be up right after your third shot while you're force-fed 3 shots like a fraternity pledge.

They may be the duelist class, but they absorb shots as well as Defenders, deal damage as well as Shooters, and have the agility of Speeders .. Toss a repair pulse on that thing and we can just get rid of the other 4 boats.

 

I'm really hoping devs could get back tesla bolt and frost. The usage of those items is basically nonexistent in top 50 (or basically in whole NML) - in comparison to ECs, that are still used a lot. Those items always made perfect counter to double bubbles.