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Stun duration > stun cooldown

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by xxxBISMARCKxxx, 13 Dec 2017.

  1. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    What sort of idiocy is this...l2 game design. You don't make a stun that lasts longer than a stun cooldown. Seriously Rovio why do you always need basic things pointed out to you.
     
  2. _devill

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    Stun lasts more than 12 secs only when it's at max upgrade epic or legendary I guess. I have a t3 rare with all rare time perks and its maxes out at 11.3 secs so far. And I don't understand why there is a problem with the stun time. You get double the resistance for stun time if you are repeatedly stunned at short intervals. Devs have made that adjustment already.
    And for that matter a lot of weapons last longer than their cool down. I know fire bomb and flare gun time can be increased. So does the frost blaster/launcher. Are those okay in your opinion?
     
  3. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    I see 20 sec. stuns regularly. Nothing else you listed is a hard cc.
     
  4. Earel

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    So, it’s very simple... all weapons reload used by boat with yellow slots got 11 sec cd. And if u have epic with 4 epic perks stun = 14 s stun+ ... so it’s little be anoying get 2 shoots from flank than got stun and repeat 2 shots ... in 80% it’s death for boat with 5-6 k hp , if u don’t kill ur enemy u can still stun it and run away ... repeat combo after 20 sec. it’s a 100% kill if u are using epic4+ weapons combo ex + blast. Many videos about this ... speeder vs 4 or 5 ... bytheway all top speeder got same setup on ships(full equipped ) , - gamemeta, all balanced.
     
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  5. _devill

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    I am at 2500 infamy so maybe I haven't seen the best of stuns yet. So far the max duration i have seen is 11 secs.
     
  6. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    I could live with the long duration I guess... IF the cooldown was longer still.
     
  7. _devill

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    Get flanked, getting hit, getting stunned. It's how a speeder gameplay works and the only thing that you can do is stick with the team or at least 1 teammate. That will help. Going 1v1 with a speeder will almost always cost you tons of hp if not your boat.
     
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  8. Jasper21

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    20-secs stun? I think what you saw was the cooldown of the stun resistance. The longest period i was stunned was about 16 secs from Black Lotus, which is a max T5 epic with 4 epic perks. I’m not sure if stun can get up to 20 secs, but even if it’s possible, I don’t think you will see it “regularly”.
     
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  9. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how many different PvP games I have played... but it's a lot. More than a lot even. In all of them I have NEVER ONCE (before this) encountered a hard cc that lasts longer than the cooldown for using it. For obvious reasons! L2 game design!
     
  10. xxxBISMARCKxxx

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    Yeah I was rounding, hence the round number. I don't know what the exact max is but it's definitely more than 15 sec. And the CD is definitely SEVERAL seconds less than that... I am sure the devs would have been failed out of whatever program they went through if they tried to submit as a project a PVP game featuring hard CC's that last longer than their CD!
     
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  11. _devill

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    Could you please tell me what infamy are you at?
     
  12. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    Ace 1, the league below Nightmare.
     
  13. Earel

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    It’s not about 1vs 1 only... its 4 vs 1 speeder.... u could control 2 ships with one item... I watched so many video where solo speeder kill 4 or 5 enemy’s without chance... it’s looks very easy. And I don’t see any other ship class can do same things... except some sort of video vs dump enemy
     
  14. _devill

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    Yep that's possible with a speeder when the unfriends are not working together. I have gone 1v3 as well and forced a draw for my team against 2 shooters and a defender. And it was only possible cos unfriends were chasing me around. If they were working together I would not have lasted even 10 secs.

    And let me assure you the weapon cool down is not the problem. My stun duration 9 secs (not 15 secs) and I can still go against multiple shooters. The point is to work together as a team. Whenever a team fails against a speeder it's all on the team not working together. Also we can give credit to the speeder for the skill. It may look easy but it's not. :)
     
  15. ViscountSniffit

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    The longest possible is ~16 seconds for a t5 legendary, with all epic perks, and all crew training for duration.
     
  16. Ash KOT

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    This item can seem a nightmare when you are on the receiving end, but it can be useless when you are using it.
    The amount of times I have had low HP, stunned the enemy to run away and recover, for my "friends" to break the stun and get me blown to smithereens.
    Also fixers can counter the stun too, so in certain situations its useless!
    I think its balanced enough, would rather see devs time spent on new content, events, items, ships, skins, maps etc so we could have more fun instead of all the focus put into nerfs.
     
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  17. ViscountSniffit

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    It’s actually much more harsh for Speeders to get stunned. A shooter’s survival is mainly dependant on hp and defence, Stun is annoying, but it doesn’t reduce that. Speeders don’t have many hp because they depend on yellow items to survive. Stun takes that away, meaning you’re just stuck there unable to Nitro or defend yourself. It’s often a death sentence.
     
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  18. LimeOnMars

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    Patch 2.5 fixed the stun/cd problem, now it is fine imo

    • Damaging a ship with Tesla resistance no longer removes the resistance
     
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  19. Disguised

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    RNG•Bunta has a tier 5 legendary stun, me according to his videos, it only stunned for around 14 to 16 seconds.
     
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  20. Kitterini

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    Tesla stun is fine - The only change I would perhaps consider would be to have ticking damage reduce the stun duration (fx everytime you take a Flare Gun tick the stun duration would drop by 1 second).
     

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