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Matchmaking Algorithm Punishes Upgrade of Ship Level

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Ideas' started by YerJokinArnYer, 29 Jan 2018.

  1. YerJokinArnYer

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    We currently have a system whereby the matchmaking algorithm takes ship level into account when determining matchmaking but not weapon/item level.

    This has created a system where captains have reached the level where they can upgrade their boats, but won’t do so until they have all of the items for the new ship upgraded to a high level. Anyone who fails to upgrade weapons/items in advance gets punished with a large infamy drop. Also many nightmare players prefer to stay at mk 6, rather than upgrading to mk 7.

    This can’t be right? We should have a system which encourages players to upgrade as soon as they are able.

    I’m not sure I know the answer, but I think that this is a problem at all levels in the bay.
     
  2. envylife

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    Actually I see this as a benefit. It makes sure players are investing in building good loadouts before they upgrade. Devs benefit from longer playing time, and teammates benefit from high powered 'friends'.

    I hit lev40 a couple of weeks ago and I'm holding off upgrading to mk6 until I get my STD shield and some epic weps upgraded. Otherwise by rushing to mk6 I'd only be punishing myself and my potential teammates.
     
  4. envylife

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    The logical person would assume that a ship upgrade would result in higher power, which should result in an infamy rise, but reality is otherwise... it automatically classifies them in higher level matches than they are used to, and it takes investing in better loadouts to bring it back up to par. Most people find this out the hard way. The extra manipulation in matchmaking could be avoided.
     
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  5. Ian

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    Even if your infamy takes a hit, it shouldn't be too large & you'll be having much more fun seeing as you'll be the one doing the carrying vs the other way around.
     
  6. DaveRay35

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    It sounds like we're in agreement. It's more of a education and training issue than a fairness issue.

    Hopefully people engage with others, like I did, before making the change and get appropriate input. Otherwise, as you say, they'll find out the hard way and have to work hard to rectify their mistake.
     
  7. YerJokinArnYer

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    I just don’t think it’s logical and it is yet another thing that slows down player progress for no good reason.

    Also, if the current system is ok, why aren’t there more mk 7 boats in the bay?
     
  8. _devill

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    I'm currently at 3500+ infamy running mk5 speeder and t4 rares. :(
    My captain level is 38 and it will take significant time to upgrade it to 40 as F2P or at least as much time as it takes without pearls. I don't have any epic weapons except t3 BT. Does that mean I need another year until I get epics and then upgrade to mk6?

    I've been through 6600 battles and thanks to RNG I have t5 dupes for all my rares. Will t5 rares work or I'm just wasting my time?
     
  9. DaveRay35

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    It could be that there isn't a big enough differential between mk6 and mk7 boats?
     
  10. YerJokinArnYer

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    Bittersteel competes at a very high level in nightmare with rare weapons, though has just started adding a couple of epics I think. Look him up on YouTube. So yes, rares can work, but there will be a lot more epics and legendaries too. I think he is the exception rather than the rule.
     
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    Yep I know bittersteel along with all the famous players on bay. I have been playing for at least 6 months, maybe more. :)

    It's not that I think it's impossible. Bittersteel did it with a shooter. Speeder gameplay is totally different that a shooter in every way. While you can punch hard with rares on a shooter, the biggest advantage of speeder (speed) isn't doing any damage. I can dodge shots but for a speeder getting the quick and clean kill is of utmost importance. Too much time and I am (as Porthos used to say) a banana split. :D

    With rares in Ace 1, I feel a little too underpowered when shooters have 8000-10000 hp and I don't know any other speeders who are running t4 rares right now so I guess mk6 with t5 rares is worth a shot.

    This thread title was a little scary. So I thought I better ask before it's too late. :oops:
     
  12. YerJokinArnYer

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    I’m also Ace 1, only using t4 rares, captain level 39, hovering about 3300 to 3400 infamy, planning to upgrade those to t5 when training trees allow. I have some epics but not high enough level yet.
     
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    The only limits you have are the ones you place on yourself. Don’t despair. In this game and in real life, you can do anything you set your mind to with hard work and dedication.

    @Baraba$ why don’t you give our friend some tips?
     
  14. Ian

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    Man don't worry about that! Mk6 is a blast, and I was also using similar rarity weapons to you, I used all tier IV rares w/ frost torp setup post nerf, and once I hit mk6 I switched to an epic t3 ex cannon , t4 rare flare + epic t3 tesla shield. My peak infamy stayed roughly the same, but it was much easier to maintain a 4k+ infamy as a mk6 (and that was with being new to flare + EC). I think the boat that suffers the most from mk5 -> mk6 is fixer, every other boat is fine. And for you upgrading to mk6 I'm sure you'll only go higher :)
     
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  15. _devill

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    10k battles and nightmare with rares!!!! Awesome. Now this is some serious motivation. @Baraba$ Not even using an OB!! I was lucky enough to get epics with dupes for turbo and OB. Still working on that Tesla shield though. I have only 1rare for now.
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    Thanks @BITTERSTEEL . I don't plan on giving up so soon. Just a little more time and a lot to learn. :)
     
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    Thanks man. I will try to get t5 rares at the same time as mk6. I have all the dupes required so not going to hold back. :)
    And working on rare flare gun. Just waiting for captain training to complete and I'm good to go.
     
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  17. Baraba$

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    well tnx @BITTERSTEEL ,I still remember that set up haha,and @_devill I reached nightmare leauge with that humble set up, its not impossible for every player to reach nightmare with just rare weapons, you just need to figure out what suits your playstyle, then practice until you master it, as a f2p player I just focused on 2 ships so my crew training is crucial even on my weapons so I can maximize their full potential
     
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    this is my current set up,this is what rovio gave me since beta,I dont even like mines but everytime I combine my leg pieces thats what im getting,but I still use my rare swift torp when im rolling with enforcer
     

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  19. Baraba$

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    @_devill I use ob on my enforcer,but on my speeder I prefer nitro for dodging and I think a speeder with a decent turbo is fast enough without ob,well I tried using them both but with too much speed I cant see the mines floating around
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I'm still waiting for an epic perk for my turbo or a dupe for t4. My ship speed is 1.68 so pretty close to max. And I will try to work with using only OB or nitro at a time and using both only if I need a quick escape. I don't have a frost blaster or Tesla shield to fill in the slot so will work with nitro until I get one. :)
     
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