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Let's welcome Frost items back from the dead ?

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Ideas' started by Reorge, 10 Oct 2018.

  1. Reorge

    Reorge Well-Known Member

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    Lately I have been thinking about some changes which are desperately needed for frost items, esp because of both the direct and indirect nerfs the speeders are facing. I would have posted it before but because of the uproar the agility update caused I kept it for later. So here it is
    Balancing for Frost items
    • Hitting a frozen enemy will decrease the Frost duration and Frost effect(speed reduction) by 50% and 20-25%, respectively. E.g., If an enemy frozen by a Frost blaster/launcher of 10 secs duration and 50% frost effect(speed reduction) gets hit then the Frost duration and Frost effect will be decreased to 5 secs and 40-37.5%, respectively.
    • Hitting a frozen enemy with Mortar or Torpedo will remove the Frost in one shot
    • Hitting a frozen enemy for the second time completely removes frost.
    • Hitting a frozen ship with Flare gun and Fire bomb will decrease 40% of Base Frost duration each tick.
    • Napalm doesnot effect frost in any way
    • Base frost effect decreased by 5-8%
    Few clarifications:
    Why ?
    • Frost items became the least used items in the bay after it was severely nerfed, even lesser used than gearlubes and rudder(from my experience).
    • Way too tricky to use them, so tricky that it feels like it's not worth the effort that's why almost every yellow boat stuck to other yellow items.
    • Frost blaster used to be many speeder's favourite item but because of the severe nerf they shifted to tesla bolt which too got quite a harsh nerf later.
    • Agility boost made the use of some weapons like torpedoes (esp big torp) harder since every ship can take sharp turns in a dime so making the frost items great again should help make up for it a bit.
    • Most importantly, rebirth of Frost items !
    Wouldn't this make the Frost items OP again ?
    Frost blaster at higher level was so powerful that the torps became nearly undodgeable when the target was frozen(and that was the main problem), but Frost effect of frost blaster was already heavily reduced in that update so making frost also being able to be removed by one-shot doesn't justify it.

    In my suggestion, Frost will be completely removed if the frozen enemy gets hit with a Torpedo or a Mortar. Along with it Frost effect will be 20-25% less if the frozen target gets hit with a Non-Mortar/Torpedo weapon, not to mention the duration would be halved, like before. 5-8% decrease to base frost effect(to all frost items). It's a trade-off and I'm pretty sure it should balance out the item and not make it "OP".


    So that's it. Leave a like if you like the idea. If you don't like it explain why. Post your thoughts on it. Thanks ! :)
     
    Last edited: 14 Oct 2018
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  2. medicine_man

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    sounds p neat homie
     
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  3. YerJokinArnYer

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    I’ve been building a frost launcher (currently epic lvl31), so I’d be happy if it was buffed.
     
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  4. Aether_Zero

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    Same, I've been experimenting with frost launcher and ballpark mortar in customs for a while, I'm pretty good with it, but seeing as they're only T2 rares, they're gonna be a major liability if I tried using them in ranked (Ace2 around 2700infamy) so I would love to see a buff for it tbh!
     
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  5. YerJokinArnYer

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    I’ve found that as soon as you start using frost, you become a major target for enemy. I think they hate being frosted more than they hate being stunned.
     
  6. Aether_Zero

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    Well they're really gonna hate me then once IIget my gear up to a decent standard haha... Frost, stun and swift torp on an Enfo with no Tesla Shields lmao..
     
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  7. "har"Smash until the end

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    Good idea!I love to see speeders using the fire and ice combo(fb+napalm) again!
     
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  8. Reorge

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    Thanks:)
     
  9. Reorge

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    It's true, getting stuck on somewhere is very annoying lol. I try to kill people carrying frost launchers first too although they are very rarely used
     
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  10. Reorge

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    Yeah that's a fun to use combo but it's not possible to use that strat with frost being broken by one shot :(. Also the bay needs more weapon combos so they need to do something about frost items ASAP
     
  11. xArrogance

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    This is an area I admittedly know little about .. other than getting hit by a max epic and losing all ability to move (apparently before some sort of nerf) ..

    What's the interaction between a frost launcher and Tshield?

    Does the splash freeze the target but bulleyes get automatically absorbed - with zero damage taken by the TS?

    And what was the Tbolt nerf again? Because my mid level Tbolt still stuns for 10 or 11 seconds ..
     
  12. YerJokinArnYer

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    Frost goes straight through TS regardless of where it hits (like napalm). It does not remove frost.

    TS nerf was more about the increased cooldown, plus the ability of fixers to remove stun. Plus the stun resistance which cut your stun time down if you’re stunned within a short time period.
     
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  13. xArrogance

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    Interesting.. same with the frost blaster? It shoots right through the shield?
     
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  14. Reorge

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    Yes
     
  15. YerJokinArnYer

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    So if teammates had the discipline you could frost a shielded enforcer, and then leave them to cook in a napalm.
    Speeder could do that on their own, but enforcer would need help as can’t use 2 slot weapons without sacrificing a slot.
     
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  16. xArrogance

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    I was thinking more of the 5k damage a max epic big torp with frost perks does against frozen enemies ...

    It would still do crazy damage with a few speed perks (on top of the extra 10% agility speed buff) ..
     
  17. YerJokinArnYer

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    Yes, that’s what Smile Shark goes for.
    @Stelmo also uses frost for his tri torp shots. He can get a couple of them to hit if you’re against a wall.
     
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    Same here. Frosters ruin unity in the team by slowing down fast elements and slow elements alike. They are almost always high priority targets.
     
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  19. Stelmo

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    Or not against a wall ;)
     
  20. xArrogance

    xArrogance Well-Known Member

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    Frost is so dead ...
     
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