Dealing with a difficult team member?

I started writing this as a longwinded response to a topic that, err, 'disappeared'. So I figured I'd just repost it in my own, hopefully, more 'appropriate' thread.

I think there are often two sides to every story. I often see people ranting about suicide speeders, racing off to get killed on their own. As a speeder player, with all short range weapons, I'm simply not able to hang back and snipe. One thing I'm great at though is absorbing a lot of fire.

I've had games where it feels like the whole enemy team are after me: triple blast zones overlapping all around me, sniper shells punching into the waves inches from my ship, throwing up my tesla shield and having it instantly broken (that could have been my boat!)... A shooter could never survive that kind of onslaught, they'd just be hit and die. But for me it's great because if everyone is wasting shots missing me, it means they're not firing at my team. Great that is... providing my team are taking their shots. But yeah sometimes they just run away and hide behind a wall, so I'm busting my ass for nothing.

After we lose, I'm sure they probably bitch about that friggin suicide speeder guy that lost us the game... in a way they're right. Sometimes my team have my back and we win, sometimes I think they've got my back, and they don't. It's frustrating, but it's also something I need to watch out for.

Sometimes people on your team have different ideas about strategy. I remember one game where a shooter sat in the capture zone on drop dead gorge, launching mortars over the wall, while the rest of our team got pumled 5v4 in the middle. He never got the capture above about 20%, non of his mortars hit anything, and in the end he was last man alive, and died quickly.

I've often wondered what I could have done differently in that game. I tried spamming "Negative, Negative, Attack!" I even tried shooting him to get his attention. After the game, I'm almost certain he blamed the rest of the team

for dying and leaving him on his own... "why didn't those idiots help me capture!".

Perhaps the only thing you can do with a player like that is try to get everyone on board with their strategy. It might not win the game, but it's probably better than having people off doing their own thing.

 

Problem is BB is designed for random matchmaking and no ability to coordinate efforts during battle other than "together" or "capture" or "kill such-and-such". It makes everyone have to guess based on actions, which makes it justifiable for you as a speeder to do what you want because you aren't going to stick with the team. Your strategy is good though, drawing enemy fire is a huge help, I wish I had a speeder doing that for me more as a shooter.

 

Just a few games ago i pushed ahead at the beginning of the gane with my speeder to try and scout the enemy then run back quickly sadly a lucky bastard was able to get a crical and take me down
I an certain that my team thought its my fault for losing and probably even reported me cuz i did no dmg
But i tried to run back but if someone gets a lucky crit there is nothing i could have done
I agree with ur post i think everyone even if its their fault their team lost they still get pissed with someone else instead of aknlologing it

 

By the "disappeared" topic, do you by any chance mean the one where they are talking about coward players?
Lol it got deleted to oblivion, probably because it's not "appropriate" enough.
I'm the one who wrote it anyway.

Basically I agree with you, there's often two sides of story. But when it comes to cowards player, there is always a distinction.
Some players might go get some cover and can't come out because there's constant pressure from opponents, like mortar rain, or sniper barrage, that's totally understandable.
Coward players are completely different story, they're actively seeking for hiding spots or staying in one the entire battle, even though he's not really on any enemy's crosshair.
There's really no strategy to play along with that kind of player. If everyone comes into cover just to play along with him while the enemy's pushing aggressively, everything will fall apart in the end anyway.

 

As a speeder myself. I understand your strategy and your point of view. It's pretty much the same for me. I get matched with 4 shooter/shooter + defender + fixer. I can't hang with them and snipe. My flare gun and cannon is all I have. I try to distract, scout or target the easy one - isolate and kill or if there is a speeder on the unfriend I take him out. My hp is 1699 - if a sniper crit or big torpedo hits me I'm dead in one shot. So that shit also happens sometime. In my league in some of the battles I probably have more damage vs the shooter. I don't camp far away and spam torpedos and mortars. Just not how a speeder should play. Speeder game play is completely different. High risk = High reward sorta thing. It takes skills to be a great speeder - not that I'm saying shooters or any other boats are for noobs. Every boat has a different strategy and gameplay in mind. It's the way it is.

 

Your argument is relevant its no mean feat drawing all the fire towards you and keep escaping and your team pummel them with their artillery. But I think of a speeder as quick speedy assassin see a low health opponent rush into him kill him so he/she no longer contribute and escape. Don't just sit back and snipe thats not a speeder.

 

"A difficult team member" sounds perfect! My infamy has been between 3k and 3.7k for a quite long time so I have played with all kind of players and their infamy has been everything between zero and whatever is the top 10 players' infamy. Of course there were quite much simply new and therefore bad player at under 500 infamy but there are also players above 3.5k who look like bad players. The problem is they can't be so bad if they have won enough battles to get there. The solution is they are not awful players but they are difficult team members for me. I just can't understand what they're doing in the battle and if there are five of us who don't understand what the others are doing, the battle is already lost. There are great players I don't want to my team because I always lose when we play together (and in worst case, if they're against me they win). I would like to learn how to play with them but just can't get it.

I have also seen players I can't understand and I have thought something like you said about an idiot speeder, or shooter, fixer or whatever. But then I've tried to fleet with those players and after some battles I have started to understand them. They can still use the same strategy but when I understand it, it isn't a problem. I don't know what to do if the whole team is doing their own things but your story about the capturing shooter is quite simple problem: if four of you were doing one thing and one another, the lonely guy should have joined the four others.

Anyway, I am a fixer so I don't have problems to follow the others. I simply can't be there doing my own thing. The supporter must always follow the team members even if they were doing idiotic things. For me it would be easy if the other four could understand each others and I could only sit back and keep them floating.

 

shooters are for noobs! XD no one can tell me different that is why i only play with speeders and defenders

 

An ideal speeder is not just a hit and run assassin, though that is its main job, but when the unfriends stick with their healer, they are better off doing

distraction while the shooters do the heavy hitting.

 

That is what i was trying to do....with my fixer

 

As a speeder user myself, we all know that we have light armor in exchange with our speed so our main objective is to distract the enemies and get their attention towards us....same as to enemy speeders we have to intercept them much like fighter jets we intercept fellow speeder to engage into a dog fight, team mates should be able to understand if speeders go ahead the team or attacks first....if you guys played speeder and change into other boats you should have developed this sense that you need to attack to support the speeders distraction towards the enemy and take the opportunity to win.

One more objective a speeder does is to chase enemies who have low health and take them out from the game faster...i usually set up my speeder stun/torp/cannon configuration.

 

Omg omg I can hit overboost and shoot people I'm so pro

 

Very nicely said. The skill to be able to adapt to another 4 players style is actually the difference between top players and others.

 

Say that to Hodges, American Marauder,Christmas,Eric,Banderas.

 

Whats your infamy, your ship lvl, your player lvl, rarity of your gear, and levels of your gear?

We can easily find shooters with lower factors of everything that are higher infamy than you. So where does that leave you who claims that shooters are for noobs... Does that make you worse than a noob?

 

Listen shooters are the strongest ship in the game u cant deny that
75% of players play shooter
All u do is shoot nothing else anyone can do that doesnt require any skill
Deal with it

 

I was just being polite - being the canadian in me and all.

I'd say the only boat that take real skills are speeder and enforcer.

 

Shooters are the ships with most firepower. All that firepower is wortless if you can't aim and time your shot. And shooting isn't all you do. You got to keep track of where your team members are, where the enemy is, you always need to keep an eye on the radar. You also got to pay attention to where and how you position your ship, and what route you take to travel, wich waves you take, and dodging shots. You also need to give backup where needed. And you also have to wuickly think about what weapon you're going to use. Every weapon works differently, you got to aim differently with other weapons.

So shooter does require skill wether you like it or not. Deal with it!

If Shooter doesn't require skill, how come you're not in nightmare yet? I agree that shooter and defender are the easiest to pick up. But shooter is actually 1 of the harder ships to master. Alot of people play as shooter, but only a few have mastered the way the shooter. Same goes for defender. All that hp and defense is useless if you don't know how and when to use it.

 

Wtf are you talkin about so all the other ships dont have to move dodge look at teammates look at enemys?
Every ship has to do that
And what are u talkin about nightmare stuff u can go look at the statistics but there are more shooters in nightmare than any other ship
All u do with shooter is shoot (and do all that other stuff that all ships do)
I know u play shooter so u dont want to admit that its op but it is and you have to aknologe it
Just like me (i use sniper cannon on my enforcer and fire bomb on my fixer and tesla bolt on my speeder) i know that they are overpowered items and i admit that they are
Look at too 50 players most of them are shooters
Look at your battle log how many shooters in each match compared to other ships? Always more shooters

 

Shooter is and will always be the default ship. You just have to deal with it.