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Blast cannon is sure a better weapon over sniper cannon!!!

Discussion in 'Strategy Discussion' started by hiopnet, 28 Dec 2017.

  1. hiopnet

    hiopnet New Member

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    1.Blast cannon LV50epic
    810 Dmg(15%CREW BONUS)
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    *!!!* Base Dmg=810/1.15 -15=690


    2.sniper cannon
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    662 Dmg(35%CREW BONUS)
    * !!!*Base Dmg=810/1.35 -15=475

    Part2:actually dmg
    1.BC actually dmg
    (690+15)*(1+65%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT]+48%[BURNing perks])=1954
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    2.SC actually dmg
    (475+15)*(1+30%)*(1+150%[CRIT DMG by BHURT]+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=1720
    (475+15)*(1+30%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=765

    what it mean?
    bc is 1954 dmg
    but sc is only 1720 on crit and 765 not crit

    Part3:actually dmg to MK6 Defender
    when it's 55 DEF:
    1.BC actually dmg to MK6 Defender 55DEF
    (690+15-55[DEF])*(1+65%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT]+48%[BURNing perks])=1802
    2.SC actually dmg to MK6 Defender 55DEF
    (475+15-55[DEF])*(1+30%)*(1+150%[CRIT DMG by BHURT]+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=1527
    (475+15-55[DEF])*(1+30%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=679

    when it's 100 DEF:
    1.BC actually dmg to MK6 Defender 55DEF
    (690+15-100[DEF])*(1+65%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT]+48%[BURNing perks])=1677
    2.SC actually dmg to MK6 Defender 55DEF
    (475+15-100[DEF])*(1+30%)*(1+150%[CRIT DMG by BHURT]+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=1369
    (475+15-100[DEF])*(1+30%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=608

    when it's 200[MAX] DEF:
    1.BC actually dmg to MK6 Defender 55DEF
    (690+15-200[DEF])*(1+65%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT]+48%[BURNing perks])=1400
    2.SC actually dmg to MK6 Defender 55DEF
    (475+15-200[DEF])*(1+30%)*(1+150%[CRIT DMG by BHURT]+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=1018
    (475+15-200[DEF])*(1+30%)*(1+20%[BURNing by BHURT])=452

    what it mean?
    when u face a high DEF defender,bc(1400) is twice even More dmg then sc(1018 on crit and 452 not crit)
    do u still think that SC is more ranger,faster and semi decent arc ?
    Or u think u can kill me before i go nearby?

    edited on 2018/1/2
     
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  2. GoreSnorkle

    GoreSnorkle Active Member

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    On paper maybe, but I’ll stick to my guns.
     
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  3. TheFixer27

    TheFixer27 Well-Known Member

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    Hey!! That's only considering damage,theres a lot to consider more such as criticals,range,projectile speed :)
     
  4. TheFixer27

    TheFixer27 Well-Known Member

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    There's no best or worst weapon, everything is good when used properly and vice versa
     
  5. LimeOnMars

    LimeOnMars Well-Known Member

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    Have you actuality used them?
     
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  6. Eeyore

    Eeyore Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree.
     
  7. nuoni

    nuoni Member

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    Tbh because of range of sniper cannon, projectile speed and semi decent arc, you more likely to be firing your sniper cannon than your blast cannon increasing your chances for a critical because everything is much more accessible and it so versatile.
    Ie. you will be firing significantly more often and landing more shots with sniper than with blast cannon. (And all of this from a safer distance.)

    Game by game basis it is a gamble though, it sucks when you can it get an aggressive defender or a speeder to back off because your damage output is so low and you are not getting any crits but it balances out when one game you deal a killing blow with a crit to someone who could have shot back at you if you didn't crit him.
     
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  8. TTrain

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    Hey! Awesome thread! I have been driving myself crazing trying trying to figure out, what is the optimal Sniper & Blast Cannon Combo since I like both. I've made spreadsheets, charts, graphs, etc. trying to figure out whats the best way to train Bhurt. Choose all BC damage and, only choose Sniper Crit Chance/Dmg, choose all BC damage and increase Burn damage, choose all Sniper damage and Sniper Crti Chance/Dmg, Haha well you get the idea ;):rolleyes:

    Could you explain the numbers you used in your explanation and equations. I don't think I quite follow. It would greatly be appreciated

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  9. Kitterini

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    There is a large gap between the good and bad weapons. Sniper is used around 100x the times of Standard Mortar (at nightmare) for a reason. There are absolutely plenty of weapons that can be good when used in a setup that supports them, but there are also plenty of weapons that are terrible and always the wrong choice.
     
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  10. fr4nk1yn

    fr4nk1yn Well-Known Member

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    My survivability went way up switching from blasts to sniper.
    I loved the blast cannon damage but you have to hit, and you have to be close through mortars to hit.
    Plus when you're 1v1 for the win, you can't hit a running speeder from across the map with a blast.
     
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  11. hiopnet

    hiopnet New Member

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    thanks for your reply.
    i have posted it on my last edited
     
  12. ViscountSniffit

    ViscountSniffit Well-Known Member

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    I think the problem here, is that you can’t really account for the difference in range and accuracy (projectile speed), which will ultimately affect the total damage.

    In reality, for every shot where the Sniper only does ~400 damage, a BC is just as likely to do zero damage, because it’s objectivly harder to hit with.

    For every shot where the BC does manage to land ~700 damage, the sniper will land a huge crit for 1200-1500, because it has more shots, more targets, and more hits.

    And for every shot you miss with the sniper, BC won’t get to fire at all, because it’s out of range.

    So sniper ends up being a much more effective weapon. People might complain that it’s weak when it doesn’t crit, but they’re still landing loads of shots that would be impossible with BC.

    Not to mention, BC requires you to position yourself closer to the unfriends, so you run a much greater risk of becoming a target for thier whole team. In terms of risk/reward, sniper wins hands down.
     
  13. Sewah

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    SC overall better usability than BC.

    Btw, a very good info and analysis.
     
  14. achillesRising

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    It depends on what ship you're running. Speeder or Enforcer with flaregun, sure BC is going to be a better weapon, but if you're running Fixer or Shooter I would stick to SC. And anyways you ignore crits, range, speed, etc.
     
  15. learner008

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    Sniper has the advantage of speed and big range and also crit damage which is high than all the other cannons, you can hit someone from far away without put yourself in danger
    i play with both speeder and enforcer, i used the sniper on the beginning (mk1-mk3) but gave up on it just because i am a close range player, can get near the enemy or run away just in few seconds

    Blast cannon has the advantage of damage over the sniper and but need to be close to the enemy which is a risk when you are not a yellow ship but when you hit, oooooh i promise you they feel it ...

    in my opinion, there is no bad or good weapons, all depends on your play style, if you are confused for now, just play with them both and you will make a decision after ...

    for me , i play with blast cannon an explosive cannon combo, about to try the flare gun now ...
    here is my setup :
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  16. NoTzHoNg

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    You got way too much time to write about this stuff
     
  17. PastelPiku

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    The sniper is very powerful when it crits, but its weakness is relying on crits, whereas the blast will always reliably deal big damage. Here's a gif of a moment where I got lucky.
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    If you're wondering why I'm just sitting in front of him, he had laid 2 mines to block that path, and I figured my team would back me up, so I was buying time.

    It goes without saying that when a blast cannon actually happens to crit, it's absolutely disgusting.
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    My explosive cannon tier 4 rare used to do 1500 damage when it crits
     
  19. TheAntiSnipe

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    I've had my blasty do 2319 to a burner in napalm. All epic perks on a rare t4 here.
     
  20. Disguised

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    What?? Double crit? I'm confused.
     

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