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Meta Snapshot 19/11 [Top 100 Class Stats Version] aka; "omg, why do you keep nerfing speeders!"

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Kitterini, 20 Nov 2017.

  1. Kitterini

    Kitterini Well-Known Member

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    Greetings Battle Bay!
    I'm back with a brief look at what the top 100 looked like a few hours before the season ended yesterday -- I will stick to class destribution data this time around, if you are interested in items then check this post from @Tirth2_ ;
    https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/post-update-detailed-item-popularity-snapshot.14638/
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    Some caveacts:
    - 96% of players entered the stats with the boat they we're currently using.
    - 3 players class was changed because I assume their peak infamy was gained whilst using a different boat [Christmas was changed to shooter, Captain Pi was changed to Fixer & Bdziryan was changed to speeder].
    - 1 player was a mk4 boat with zero items equiped, he was changed to his only mk6.
    - The highest placed Fixer (Døzey) wasn't changed despite his Fixer being mk6 & him having two mk7 boats. Maybe he did peak in his Fixer, maybe he didn't.
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    The Data:
    Meta Shap Data.jpg

    The piecharts:
    Class Destribution Pie Charts.jpg

    The "totally unbiased" comments:
    - Most players in the dataset obtained their peak infamy after the latest balance patch. It seems fair to remark that, at least at peak level, speeders are fine and have the highest potential of all 5 classes.
    - The level of speeder domination at the very top is remarkable. For a while shooter was catching up, but that seems to be limited to the lower half of the top 100 now & the usual odd defender/enforcer in the top 10 is not present this time around.
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    - Unsurprisingly the Bay (at top level) is still heavily dominated by two classes, with the remaining three playing secondary roles.
    - While a peak position as #30 for Fixer might seem low, its better than usual. Guess its time to nerf the green boat again, or god forbid one might sneak into the top 25!

    TLDR:
    Battle Bay, at peak level, is still plagued by hefty imbalance. Speeders peak significantly higher than everyone else, Speeders & Shooters are vastly overrepresentated in the top 100. Defenders, Fixers & Enforcers remain 2nd class choices for anyone dreaming of reaching the top.
     
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  2. Tirth2_

    Tirth2_ Well-Known Member

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    Can have a much better look at the ship usage among the top players!
    Great job!!! :)
     
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  3. Evilchicken235

    Evilchicken235 Well-Known Member

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    Great information. I was wondering what the distribution of mk6s & mk7s in the top too.
    Before the balancing update, the only variable that the matchmaking algorithm accepted was infamy, so you will have a higher chance of reaching a higher infamy with higher performance (a higher tiered ship). But now matchmaking takes infamy + ship tiers into account and we do not know what the weighting of the ship tier is.
    So it is a now "possibility" that you could end up with a worse infamy if you upgrade your ship.
    Before the season ended, 7/10 of the top 10 players were Mk6s(when I last checked), so the meta might actually be not upgrading to mk7.
    After the balancing upgrade, despite if 7 mk6s were in the top 10 because they are good, it is not a rational decision to upgrade from MK6 to MK7 for ANYONE unless you know how much ship tiers will affect matchmaking. Mk7s will give you worse matches compared to MK6. We need to know if it’s worth upgrading. Same for every tier.
     
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  5. Earel

    Earel Active Member

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    n1 , good to know
     
  6. Babablacksheep

    Babablacksheep Well-Known Member

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    ITS CLEAR,Which ships need a push.That title tho:D:D
     
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  7. Ultrah

    Ultrah Well-Known Member

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    I hope Devs use this information to fix things for poor Fixers.
    A04C89CB-8258-43CF-8355-61E2F7ABDD29.gif
     
  8. benguin8

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    Look forward to this every time. Great work and thanks.

    First @Kitterini, thanks for showing the enforcer in graphs as orange even though Rovio makes it yellow in the game (but still claims it is orange).

    2nd, just my 2 cents. I know there is a strong analytical slant to this (as it should), but at some point we may have to look at the other reason ships might be popular, i.e. because they are more fun or fit the player's style. I do not play speeder much but the thrill of speed is certainly a draw. When you go back to other ships you almost wonder why you are not moving.

    It is still perplexing that if yellow equips are the culprit, then why enforcer isn't 2nd in popularity.
     
  9. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    I'm not convinced speeders need a nerf (fyi I don't really play one) I think it's more that they have the ability to turn an unfavorable 1v1 matchup at the end into a draw. If you play a lot of games and care about your infamy, having that ability can really add up cover time. But it speaks more to scoring and capturing mechanics than needing a nerf. For example, if instead of a draw it became, whoever has the most HP left when time runs out, then obviously defenders would rise up and speeders would fall somewhat. All without any buff or nerf to their actual abilities, just by changing the scoring mechanic.
     
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  10. Babablacksheep

    Babablacksheep Well-Known Member

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    He never said speeder need a nerf,he just wants to convey that speeders arent RIGGED as the former users cry about.Since they are the most used ship
     
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  11. Shadow Moon!

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    Only in top 100 speeders are most used but overall bay is full of shooters you know the big red thing.
     
  12. vis1234567899

    vis1234567899 Well-Known Member

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    what he is actually means is that other ships apart from speeder and shooter need to be used overall in the bay
     
  13. Babablacksheep

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    Reason why they should be untouched,While other 3 should be improved.

    Defender and enforcer---Overall ALL mks
    Fixer---ENDGAME
     
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  14. vis1234567899

    vis1234567899 Well-Known Member

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    right now the best thing is just to have as many weapons as possible or become a huge utility ship speeding around, i cant find any fixers or defenders to bully.
    Also i find that the three underrepresented ships are the ones i target most
     
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  15. Kitterini

    Kitterini Well-Known Member

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    Personal preference is certainly a part of it -- Most players start the game as shooters & level items for that boat, many (myself included) probably stuck with that boat for quite a while and some never get around to changing class. Not sure the argument holds for speeders though. Alot of the speeders and shooters in the Top 100 has a history as previous Enforcers & Fixers -- However at some point you need to decide if you are content struggling to stay within the top 50, or if you want to abandon your Fixer & aim for top 10. @Hodges being a great example.

    This post is primarily meant to illustrate how some classes (and 1 in particular) have a higher potential than others --- I firmly believe that a large portion of the players dedicated enough to farm/pay thousands of $ to reach the absolutely peak is also willing to master a different boat if that brings them closer to #1.
     
  16. Babablacksheep

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    For what i can say,He is not bluffing!
     

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  17. The Afenogaster

    The Afenogaster Well-Known Member

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    Yes, shooters are just common, fixer is The guy that ruins your kills and defender is the easiest to hit, enforcer is super hard to hit but has to choose between hp or bandage so, no health or no chance of fixing, speeder is the easiest or the hardest to kill and the one that takes more risks. It seems that each boat has its good points to be the first who gets focused
     
  18. Disguised

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    I have never played a game where there was less than 4 shooters, most of the time, there are 8 shooters.
     
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  19. The Afenogaster

    The Afenogaster Well-Known Member

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    Ive played a full Yellow boat vs Yellow boat match, Yellowocean must be proud
     
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  20. Disguised

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    That must of been fun. I guess I won't experience that anytime soon being in Master League.
     
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