Please do something about MINES

all-corps is carro bait lmao

 

we English is not my first language so it may not sound kind
sorry about that .


i have never seen 5k exp cannon dmg at 1k infamy level but 3.5k dmg from mines and big torpedo is very normal . so many players have that and at 1k infamy level some boats are like 6k hp two hits are enough . there is no fun in that if someone spamming big torpedoes from distance and its possible to get hit you can avoid one or two but when they have like two tripple and two big torpedoes 8 in total difficult to avoid them . and if they spam mines and torpedoes both together then there is no place to move and thats all make the difference . exp cannon or other cannons one can't fire from far far away . and its not gonna stop you from moving because water is empty . mines and torpedoes limit moving space and they do solid dmg so they just ruined game play .

 

i am thinking to build a grenade but i am not so good using it . but i see one benefit of it. they can work above waves . and have high percentage of critical hit . i yesterday got legendary exp its only do 1300+ compared to my friend's legendary lvl1 mine which do 3.5k .

 

It can be tricky to get the hang of the way camera moves and aiming can be a bit dicky until you get the hang of it, but I promise, you’ll love grenade once you get the hang of it! And the better you get with it the more you’ll love it
My grenade has 88% crit chance and does over 1k in fire damage alone and training isn’t even complete. Sure it doesn’t pack the punch that mines or big torp can but I’ll get several good grenade hits for every mine that gets hit or torp that finds its mark

 

P.s pleeeease don’t suggest nerfing grenades

 

Trying to draw parallels between Grenade and Mine damage is incredibly disingenuous. While Grenades are more accurate (per shot), they can only exist, one at a time, within a very limited area around the user. You also get a very clear warning when one is about to explode near you.

If you are fighting against someone using a Grenade, then you always know where the Grenade is coming from, roughly when and where the Grenade will land, and you have a good idea of where it can and can’t hit you.

To confront the threat, you only need to keep track of that one object (the Grenade user). By removing the user, you can also be 100% confident that you have removed the threat of his Grenade. This is actually quite convenient, since your target and the source of the threat are the same. By keeping track of that one ship’s location, you are maximising the information you have about, both, your target and his weapon.

Mines are completely different. They can exist in dozens of places at once, far too many to keep track of in your head. They can remain a threat, long after the user is destroyed, and where existing ships can’t see you. They are small, camouflaged, can easily be obscured by waves and FX, and they detonate without warning.

I think what separates Mines from other weapons, is that it’s virtually impossible to engage with them on your own terms. We usually have some degree of control over when other weapons hit us (with the possible exception of Sniper). For example, if I charge an EC user, then I’m ‘likely’ to get hit by an EC (perhaps that’s a risk I’m willing to take). If I retreat into cover, or out of sight/range, then I’m ‘likely’ safe from EC hits. We generally have some say over the level of danger we want to expose ourselves to, or at least we’re able to understand how much danger we are in (even when we don’t have much control).

Mines don’t give you that control or understanding. They are just all around you, sometimes behind you. Either you spot them in time, or you don’t, and you take an obscenely big hit. The only way to avoid them is to be incredibly slow and careful which, at a certain point, prevents you from realistically being able to play or enjoy the game.

 

trust me after mine spamming this kinda spamming is in trend

 

I don’t think I could have said it any better my self! That’s is the point I’m trying to make. I’m not arguing against mines because of the spammers, spammers of any weapon are awful, this isn’t a bebate about tdm because that’s an event, it has nothing to do with torpedos or grenades, this argument is all about how much damage mines do and the fact that you can’t realistically always dodge them or spot them like you can all other weapons that hit that hard. On average in ace and nightmare leagues they hit for 5k+ damage. A weapon that you don’t genuinely have to aim, takes very little skill (yes some still use them tactically), and hits for more then any one single weapon should be nerfed. A grenade EC combo takes two weapons together to hit that hard and requires positioning and aim. A mine just sits there and can explode when your right next to it, on top of it, or just randomly because the time expired. It can block off passage ways and, with this current damage it deals, encourages people to go to the capture point or position in a corner and camp while laying a ton of mines. If someone hits just one they are most likely to die or be at a huge disadvantage if they start to fight.

I will say this again because most people aren’t understanding where I am coming from. Mines should be in the game, they should be a viable weapon, you should be able to spam them if you really want to, but there is no reason they should hit as hard as they do. They are a one slot weapon that doesn’t require aim and, for the most part, skill and hits the hardest out of all the weapons in the game. They can also be used to block off passage ways which is something no other weapon can do. So again, WHY DO THEY HIT SO HARD???

 

If they didn’t do the things you say then they simply wouldn’t be viable
If they dont do so much damage they won’t block off areas as players would be more willing to take a hit to get past them they’re avoided now because people know it could end there game
If they become a 2 slot weapon they’ll be restricted to less boats and or metas

 

I’m honestly not sure if you read anything before you posted this. They SHOULD do those things, they SHOULD be viable, they SHOULDN’T be a 2 slot weapon, but the damage SHOULD be reduced. I still wouldn’t want to take 4K damage from running over a mine. But the random 6k damage is way to much. It’s a complete game changer and mines shouldn’t be that way.

 

Torpedo spamming gets me maybe 1 out of 50 battles where someone tries it. It's just not an effective strategy in my eyes. Mine spamming on the other hand gets me 25 out of 50 battles where someone tries it. It's just frustrating beyond words to die cause you can't move without hitting one. I don't care of someone puts 5 around them to prevent an attack run by a speeder, that's strategy. I do care when they drop 50 in an event and they die 3x doing it. And I'm talking about when they are my teammate just as much as when they're on the opposing team.

 

All you gotta do is this .....any two of this can be applied..!

-reduce the damage by 50 percent or 40percent
-increase it's cool down time
-reduce it's diameter
-or finally make it a two slot weapon
-as said by r4zor there should be a limited number for dropping mines

 

The overall damage in the game just seems to much at the moment and there is an argument that everything should be scaled back a bit. Their isn’t much of a game play when you can be dead in two hits.

This issue with mines generally is that their is a growing tendency to have ships that have multiple mines equipped and some that only have mines equipped. One solution would be that you can only equip one of each weapon.

 

Applying the one each limit to every weapon is going too far. I can't spam blast cannon, grenade, sniper, railgun, ex cannon, std cannon, or flare so why should any of those be limited to one per ship. And I've seen arguments similar to this for torpedoes but they're really hard accurately aim so even there there is a skill requirement especially at the end of matches. And as for mortars/fb most yellow boats can avoid them all day and opposingshooter/defender usually carry similar loadouts so it's pretty evenly matched.

 

My guess is nothing will happen and it will continue to be more over powered mine meta gameplay. Personally they are ruining the game for me. I just hope something is done about mines, they need to be fixed via damage nerf, detonation radius nerf, amount able to be placed reduced, the random explosions because the time expires, clears your mines upon death, or literally anything. They are obnoxious and too many people are using them to climb because they require no skill.

 

I love to see ppl asking to lower the bar when they cant reach it and asking support from others.
I love mines but hate mine spammers like everybody else.
They shouldnt nerf the mines for the way how they work but for the way they are being spammed.
These are my points to avoid mine spammers:

• 5k mine dmg is excellent but it needs to reduce the dps by increasing the cooldown. I hate the dmg nerfed but not too bad.
• use different color of mines so friendly ships will know the choke point is not flooded by an idiot team mate and we can still avoid the hostile ones.
• Make a health bar on mine equal to its dmg which can be shot / reduced by friendly ship
• Limit to 1 or 2 for the same weapons mounted on a ship. I said weapons, it shouldnt only be applied to mines. It will create more balanced gameplay but it's bad for doing quest, not a big deal.