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How is it not cheating?

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by NotHappyJan, 1 Jul 2018.

  1. NotHappyJan

    NotHappyJan New Member

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    when a 4k+ player who is over lvl 45 jumps on their mk2 for the enemy and equips lvl1 legendary items surely thats the same as seal clubbing and should be deemed cheating right?
    Along with ladder at this level being full of mk5 and 6 boats, you sure have made a game thats unappealing to new players

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  2. Stelmo

    Stelmo Well-Known Member

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    It's pretty shameful
     
  3. Flint

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    That is the moral of a lot of Nightmare players. It seems they have more privileges than others.

    I have a friend who plays in that league and he tells me how they talk amongst each other to fool the systems in the game. Some play only Deathmatch, but let their Infamy remain on 4000 Infamy, so they still get the rewards, even without playing normal battles.

    Some of the higher guild all play likes this, use low end ships with high end weapons and are cashing in BIG TIME and ruining it for the rest of us.

    There goes the fair play rule down the drain........bye....
     
  4. TheAntiSnipe

    TheAntiSnipe Moon's haunted

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    How is is that this is still being allowed? It's insane! The least that can be done is putting infamy/level thresholds in place for matchmaking.
     
  5. N1mzor

    N1mzor Active Member

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    Pay 2 win players are always protected in these types of games. If they punish these guys too much they just take their money to another game, so they are allowed to bend the rules.
     
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  6. BasedCarpen

    BasedCarpen Well-Known Member

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    Umm, that avavatar..
     
  7. Joey who

    Joey who Well-Known Member

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    Devs need to make matchmaking based on what their highest mk ship is. Then their gear score etc
     
  8. Jimbot

    Jimbot Well-Known Member

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    Everytime I face a defender I always lose. It is always a nightmare player with lvl 10 leggys. I can't win with t3 rares and one t4 epic.
     
  9. Sweetleaf420

    Sweetleaf420 New Member

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    I wish they would fix this problem because the tdm isnt even fun losing every match because some prick in nightmare feels okay about cheating. If you are doing this you are cheating. Not cool.
     
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  10. *JAWS*

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    I have been saying this from event 1.

    I even sent screenshots and reasoning why this ruins the bay to the grim repair. Plus other top players have sent these issues to developers chat on discord.

    Using past 1 level drop from your highest mk. Ship. Is shameful.

    Infamy tanking to gain advantage of system. Shameful.

    Part of the big problem here is the developers haven't made caps.

    Ie. U can't drop mk. Level ships at all from highest mk. Ship. Once they do a cap n trade as it could be called in real life. This stops undershipping.

    The same can be applied to infamy. By a cap on infamy. Make it via league. Whatever league you are in is what your average infamy will be rated for event mode. This will make a whole block of players in each league even. Ie. No more reason to game the infamy system.

    Both of these have to be stopped developers now. Or.
    DO what you what you promised. Ban people for violating the fair play rules. 7 days. 14 days. Whatever.

    Choice and power belongs to the development team....but the players here now have started the 20th new forum thread on this subject alone. It's a BIG. deal.

    Jaws.
     
  11. Flint

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    We have been talking about these problems for over a year now. By now we should know that there is no will to change it. If there was, it would have been dealt with.

    Bababalcksheeo has left the game because of these issues and so have many other long term players. That is what you get and many will follow if these issues aren't resolved.

    It is that simple!
     
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  12. S2C

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    Do perks really have that big of a difference in matchmaking? I'm taking all my perks off right now then if it lets me not get shit on by higher mk ships
     
  13. Miathan

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    Your screenshot means nothing since you didn't show who this player is being matched against. Matchmaking is power based, a nightmare player on a low MK ship will still be matched appropriately. It's not cheating because the nightmare player gets no advantage, except being more experienced and skilled, but that's an intentional advantage.

    If you think the nightmare players get an actual gear advantage, post the matchups and argue from there.
     
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  14. *JAWS*

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    Still wrong.

    Comments like this are too normalize gaming the system.

    Cheating it is.

    Nitemare player has higher captain levels.
    Ie. His training is higher than and ace level player. So when a nitemare player drops down thru any of these methods every shot he shoots...hurts more. And will never be shown in gear score matchmaking.

    But thru training alone. A captain with Bhurt. Training tree maxed is gonna kill a boat with the same weapon but only 1/3rd thru bhurt. Training tree.

    Not to mention time equals maxed weapons on this game. Time equals legendary weapons in this game. Time equals maxed training trees in this game.

    So any Under shipping or infamy tanking to seal club is still cheating.

    You are getting away with it thru a technicality. But still violating fair play rules. And the day more people get to critical mass on this issue. .is the day developers will be forced to do rollbacks like they did for token farming.

    So keep it up cheats.

    Will be easier to rollback just by seeing how often u undershipped and manipulated. Any software could make that blanket diagnostic discovery.

    But don't pretend here again cheats that manipulating is right. Captain training Tree alone shows your Shame.
     
  15. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    Baba left because of antitank rule. He was punished for losing more than 800 infamy thrice. Forth time he called it a day for battle bay. We still play together though different games.
     
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  16. YerJokinArnYer

    YerJokinArnYer MVP

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    There are a lot of assumptions being made from one photograph.

    We do not know the gear score/ship level/captain level of the all the players this player was facing.
    We do not know what the event win rate of the player was.
    We do not know how many games the player used this setup for. (defender would be a poor choice to use if gaming the system in a 1v1 event)

    I could provide a photo of some of the players I was faced with (using the exact setup I use for ranked), and in isolation it would look like they were cheating or conversely for others that I was cheating.

    If we want to have proper discussion on event matchmaking, we need to move away from these witch hunt, naming and shaming posts, and discuss ideas to minimise perceived unequal matches. Some people in this post have made some suggestions, but the merits of each has not been debated at all because the focus has been one photo. And as such, we miss the opportunity to improve future events.

    So here’s a summary of points made above which should be debated:
    • Put in place infamy/level/league thresholds
    • Base matchmaking on highest mark ship
    I will bet that there are many other great ideas out there, and I would love to hear them.
     
  17. Real Baha

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    I’ve said all along matchmaking should be based on a total score of all your inventory and ships. If they based this on what you own there would be nongettinga round the system or they have to scrap everything to seal club
     
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  18. Flint

    Flint Well-Known Member

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    The points have been discussed before:
    • Put in place infamy/level/league thresholds
    • Base matchmaking on highest mark ship
    But nothing has done with it. I believe I filed these idea back in November,

    I have said before, events where everybody has the same ship and setup would be nice. Ship type and setup should rotate of course. I think that would be the most fair, no problems with matchmaking, just skill. But nobody seem to like that idea.

    Regards,
    Flint
     
  19. YerJokinArnYer

    YerJokinArnYer MVP

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    When you made these suggestions in November, that would have been in ranked matches. Just because an idea hasn’t been implemented for ranked, does not mean that they are not worth further discussion for events. From that, other ideas may also evolve and develop.

    I think an event where everyone has exactly the same ship and setup/skills would be good. Obviously, players who regularly use that ship would have an advantage, but as long as they rotate through the ships it shouldn’t be a problem (not sure how it would work for fixer, but I’m sure something could be worked out), and it would be a great opportunity to learn new ships for everyone.
     
  20. YerJokinArnYer

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    Wouldn’t that just encourage people to play only one ship and to only have 8 items?
    And wouldn’t that seriously disadvantage them if the ship or one of those items was nerfed?
     
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