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An Ideal Time to Upgrade Ship Level?

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by YerJokinArnYer, 21 Mar 2018.

  1. YerJokinArnYer

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    I was just wondering whether there is an ‘ideal time’ during each season to upgrade your ship level? Many players fall in infamy when they first upgrade, so i wondered if choosing a different time in the 2weekly season cycle made a difference.

    My thoughts would be not to upgrade at the start of a season, as there is already downwards infamy pressure due to the nightmare reset. If you did, you’d end up with downward pressure from the nightmare reset plus the commonly seen downward pressure you get when you upgrade. A double whammy which could put you at risk of infamy tanking penalties.
    However, you wouldn’t want to leave it too late in the season as you’d run the risk of raising your maximum infamy which could make the infamy tanking penalties more likely.
    I would have thought that you’d want to upgrade once the downward pressure has finished, and your infamy starts to increase again. That would probably be the sweet spot.

    However, that could all be a load of rubbish, and there is no ‘best’ time.
    What do you think?:rolleyes:
     
  2. CaffeinatedChris

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    The right time to move up is "When you have properly leveled gear (ie: not worse than your current equipment) to fill the new slot configuration."

    If you're going to suddenly unlock an extra slot, you don't want to be sticking a Level 1 item in there as a placeholder. Ship configurations are available in the "Ship Tiers" sticky post, so do some quick research and plan your loadout in advance of your upgrade.

    https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/ship-tiers-info.1445/
     
  3. Spinners71

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    First of all, it's so sad that people take an Infamy hit just for upgrading to a new tier of ship. The way they implemented ship tier into the matchmaking algorithm was the wrong fix for the problem...

    But since it's a thing, and because the every-two-week season reset is also a thing, then you're correct -- you don't want the double-whammy all at once, or you might risk hitting "tanker" status, which apparently = Max Infamy of all time - 800. ...which is another design decision gone wrong.......... but enough of these digressions.........

    You asked when is the best time, so here it is:

    1. As @CaffeinatedChris said, don't even think about it unless you have good gear to put in the new slots.
    2. Wait until you're on a high-cycle of Infamy. Meaning, if you generally oscillate between 2200-2600, wait for a good streak to put you on the high end of that range (like 2500+).
    3. And then ideally, if you're on a high streak and think you can maintain it until you're 6-8 days into a given season, that would be ideal because it spaces out the negative influences as far apart as you can.

    Prioriy is 1 > 2 > 3.

    Good luck!
     
  4. Da Carronade King

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    Definately check that u have the right gear, sometimes it is better to stay at a lower mk for a little bit lower so u get ready. I remeber going from 2000 on mk4 fixer to 1200 on mk5 fixer cause I didnt have a third green item ready. Don't make the same mistake.
     
  5. Kitterini

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    A soon as you can. The people that succeed in life are the ones that rise to the challenge, not the ones that search near and far for poor excuses for their lack of progress. Be a winner!
     
  6. Spinners71

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    You want to live in a nice house? Buy one now!
    You want to drive a fancy car? Buy one now!
    You want great kids one day? Get her pregnant now!

    Don't worry about all the credit debt you just racked up....
    Don't worry that you're only 19, and not ready to be a good parent (or spouse)...
    Not being informed or prepared is just a "poor excuse"...
    You should just "rise to the challenge"!
    Then you'll be a success!......... right?

    ....No, Kit, I think there are plenty of decision throughout life where gathering and analyzing information, properly weighing pros/cons, framing your perspective towards your goals, and making intelligent decisions on the best path forward is a better way to go than your suggestion.
     
  7. Kitterini

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    Wouldnt a more fair analogy be;
    Want a payraise? Accept the promotion.

    Rather than; Dont accept the promotion because you're afraid you cant handle the increased responsability.
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    The myth that the game becomes drastically harder if you increase your mk is vastly overexaggerated.
    1. Your own strength increases.
    2. Infamy is a much larger part of matchmaking than mk.
    3. As matchmaking still balances infamy across teams you might be facing more ships of a higher mk, but there is no noticeable difficulty difference between facing a mk3 and a mk4 if they have equal infamy.

    To op: Dont let them scare you off, man Up to the challenge and upgrade. No sense in postponing your progress.
     
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  8. Spinners71

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    I'm all about being brave to face challenges, and believing in yourself. It's basically my life story...
    But the OP wasn't saying he didn't want to avoid upgrading because he was scared... (and I haven't seen anyone else tell him not to do it either)
    He specifically asked if there was a way to time his ship upgrade to mitigate the downsides...
    And there most certainly is a way to carefully and intelligently select an "optimal" time for upgrading -- which I think my first post accurately explained.
     
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  9. YerJokinArnYer

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    I completely agree with the need to be coomemts of caffeinatedchris and spinners71. You have to be prepared before upgrading.
    I am not yet in a position to upgrade for a long time yet, I’m a Mk6, level 42 so a long way until Mk7. My question was asked to help others, and basically make others think about whether there was enough of a benefit in planning when in the season to upgrade.
    I suffered quite a large fall when I went from Mk5 to Mk6 (I’ve clawed it all back plus some since then). I had new equipment of the same level as my existing equipment, but hadn’t realised that the Mk6’s that I’d be fighting would have even better equipment than that.
     
  10. YerJokinArnYer

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    Respectfully I have a different viewpoint to you regarding your point 3. I wrote a (long) thread earlier in the day about how I think a Mk5 and Mk6 (in my example) with equal infamy are not equally effective in a game. I compared the ship levels to the different divisions in the NFL, and say that a team that is 7&3 in one league are not the same strength as a team that is 7&3 in another.
    Here’s the link if you wish to read it
    https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/infamy-and-ship-level.17863/
     
  11. envylife

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    The rule of thumb I use is to upgrade when you start seeing half your boats in your matchups at the higher level, and your equipment feels sufficient. What that is exactly I don't know. I waited a while to go from MK5 to MK6, where the minimum recommended is T4 Rare, and I did that when I had mostly MK6's in my battles and at least half T5 Rare. However that wasn't enough, I'm still lower infamy than I achieved with MK5. It's the irony of the game that running a better boat reduces your infamy... for a time anyway.

    Spinners71 has it right... matchmaking by boat level is not ideal and neither is the 800 penalty drop. While there's merit to doing both, neither address the root cause of why those were done.
    Boat Level: people were bitching about OP opponents. OK then your infamy should drop and their infamy should rise, and you won't ever see them again. Second root cause: players can have boats ranging from MK1-7, meaning it is both possible to man an MK2 in Nightmare or bring out your MK7 at 500 infamy after running your MK2 for a while. Level all boats at once and that single infamy number finally makes sense.
    800 infamy drop: It was created to punish seal clubbers. Why do seal clubbers exist? Because it's more profitable to win weaker matches than stronger ones.
     
  12. Snapshot

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    Specifically, what worked for me was to observe the average sort of gear I would be facing at that new higher mark and make sure mine was up to snuff before I upgraded. For me, with the upgrade from M4 to M5, I had pegged roughly rare-40 although I didn't particularly care about the tesla bolt so that's still R11. But I figured that if I upgrade I'm going to be fighting more of those same boats so I might as well observe what they were carrying and make sure I was geared up.

    I still dropped some infamy after the upgrade but I attribute that more to the total change in play style from the M4 to M5. The swap from bandages to shield was a big deal.
     

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