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Why Legendary items are so "common" ?

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Linh Hoang, 28 May 2017.

  1. Netsa

    Netsa Well-Known Member

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    Nah, it's P2W. A base-level Legendary is one step more powerful than a maxed Rare. If you find any Legendary red items at the Infamy rank in which no one even has tier 3 or 4 upgrades unlocked, then you are guaranteed to win almost every game. This game doesn't require any skill, so that's a moot point. They may eventually rise to the level where only Legendaries are being used but, guess what, they're going to win every single game on the way there, and you will be their stepping stone. Have fun!
     
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  2. Gnu

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    IMG_5330.PNG Pay to winners. Thats it


    Here is an example of a pay to winner that i hate.

    Look at the image above, he has a tier 3 legendary explosive damage dealing almost 1,300 damage per hit
     
  3. monobrow

    monobrow Well-Known Member

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    If he wants to pay 10k to get to the top of a leaderboard then thats ok with me.
    What about all the cash rich, time poor people who cant sit on the game all day either - should they get all the gud gear and rule the leaderboards because they simply have more time than anyone else?

    I agree it suxs to get pwned by legendaries, and i guarantee they will be toned down over time (or others buffed) but at launch Rovio are milking the whales.
     
  4. Netsa

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    Of course it should work that way, yes. Putting more time into a video game and getting better at it should award you with higher spots on the leaderboards. It doesn't because money.
     
  5. D0m1no

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    Game doesn't require any skill. I take it you play in Nightmare League??
     
  6. Netsa

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    I don't, but I've seen many videos of it. If you think my opinion of this game's required skill level stems from my rank and not from the game's mechanics and controls, then I'll gladly come back here after reaching Nightmare and tell you the exact same thing. This game doesn't require any skill.
     
  7. Greydone

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    Then what are you doing here ? Please go play a skillful game, you will not be missed with your unfounded prejudices
     
  8. Netsa

    Netsa Well-Known Member

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    This game is just balanced enough to be fun if you take weapon tiers out of the equation, and I like playing casual stuff sometimes. A game doesn't have to be hard for it to be fun to play.

    Also, my "prejudice" isn't unfounded. Guns are aimed for you, so all you have to do is choose how much you want to lead a shot by. If it's switching targets too much, which it always does, just press the Lock On button conveniently placed right above the weapon control. Switching weapons and using abilities enacts a global cooldown so you can't win just by having fast thumbs. Simple taps control your equipment. Movement arrows stop you from fumbling between moving and rotating. Progression is so slow that the game never gets overwhelming. All you really have to think about is positioning and general strategy since, outside of one other person, you can't assemble your own team nor directly talk to anyone on your team. Things don't really get easier or harder depending on which class you choose.

    Not saying there aren't tips and tricks to be learned, but come on.
     
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  9. Greydone

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    Guns are aimed for you so what ? If they weren't it would only be a reflex matter... Plus you still have to aim in this game even if you locked your target cause ships are moving faster and faster as they grow up.

    Each ship have different roles and even 2k+ infamy players still do a lot of mistakes while playing their ships. Coordination is the key, thanks to discord/teamspeak it's a lot easier to play as a team even if we only have the inner chat to talk to the other teammates and a lot of ppl still do not care about the team strategy and play as if they were alone. Each weapon have its own tricks (aiming walls instead of enemies with torpedoes, orientating enemies thx to the napalm, and so on), plus each battle between two ships have its specific match-hup, good or bad. Hence the need to developp tactics based on the current opponent at the instant and the current teammates. I still have a lot to learn but all I'm seeing in games is people playing without thinking.

    The one lacking skills is likely not the game but the players.

    Yet I agree the game requires very low skills as a beginner. But this quickly changes.
     
  10. Kitterini

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    I get why legendary items need to outperform lower rarities --- I do think the scaling is some areas of this game is out of whack though, the ability to buy a lvl 1 legendary that instantly outperforms a lvl 50 rare being the prime example. For Nightmare play this isn't really gamebreaking, albeit a slap in the face to 6months of grinding efford just to reach lvl 40. For low level play its an I-Win button for sale, which makes sense from a money earning perspective sure (but less for providing a good experience to more than 1 type of player).

    & yes you need to hit with your weapons, but so does the f2p lvl 15 -- He just needs to hit 5 times as much ;)
    But again, for high level play the investment required to outperform the lvl 50 epics is so absurd that it will hopefully just be a select few highrollers distorting game balance.
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    Another scaling issue (in my opinion) is the massive jumps in stats --- I would imagine that we would see less of the annoying ´qq, matchmaking is unfair´ threads if HP didnt triple from mk4->6.
     
  11. Netsa

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    As I said, there are tips and tricks to be learned. All of them are easy to pick up once you learn about them because the game itself is easy to play and get into. You didn't mention a single thing that requires any practice to master, it's all stuff that could be posted on a "Strategies & Tips" bullet list.
     
  12. Greydone

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    One still needs to practise to master a weapon/ship/tactic... Maybe what you meant was some games are more skill based than battlebay which is understandable. But blatantly arguing the game requires absolutely no skill is hardly defendable.
     
  13. BITTERSTEEL

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    Buying weapons means you have a strong ship, but there are more factors in play than better gear. I've pooped on countless captains with maxed epics and t1 legendaries because they don't know their weapons as well as, say, someone who grinded hard to max them out.

    I'm a Nightmare League player, and I bounce in and out of the global top 50 frequently. What is my setup, you ask? T5 epics? Legendaries? No, most of my stuff is still rare. The only in app purchase I've ever made was to change my old name.
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    A state-of-the-art ship doesn't mean anything if the Captain isn't experienced.
     
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  14. Netsa

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    No, I know what I meant. You could give this game to anyone with reasonable hand-eye coordination and they can do well since mastering any specific tactic or ship doesn't require any practice. If there was more of a support base you could just read up on what to do, but barring that you can get tips from high-ranking players who are already filling the role (i.e. little hands-on experience). The way progression is set up makes my argument easily defendable at all infamy ranks below Nightmare. Above that, the lack of communication or enforcable meta makes people bounce around ranks at will, as they go through the same weird matchmaking algorithms as everyone else.
     
  15. colin

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    Wow...developers possing as shamless fan boys? Nobody that plays a competive game is as lame and weak in the knees as some of the people defending the pay-2-win behaviour in this game. Your so forgiving to a complete cash grab of a game that you have to be on salary to be that pathetic. People play to win and in this game the math is pretty easy; better gear wins. I played for awhile now and ever since I hit 2k infamy I have seen legenday items in consecutive games. Meanwhile I am looking to upgrade my rares.

    Personally Ill play a bit longer, but I don't see this game going anywere near "clash of /clans fools". As the average dude I would rather minor expeditures and not trade in as much as it will take just to compete mathically without skill.

    Fyi: casinos are a business to, but kids arent allowed to play/spend their money.
     
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  16. P0rthos

    P0rthos Well-Known Member

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    Lol, well... if that's how you feel it's fine. I can say beyond any doubt that 90% of the game is half skill. o_O

    Tactics and strategy play a very large part in higher level games. You have to know your team & enemy's play styles and loadouts and change your tactics constantly. It's no picnic, let me tell you. Takes a lot of skill and experience to make the right calls at crucial moments and pull off the right maneuvers. At lower levels it's a matter of who masters the basics faster... shooting, moving, leading shots. Once you get to ace league, the matches start getting more interesting.
     
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  17. OniZoro

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    I agree that it is somewhat skill based but the power of the $$$ far supercedes that of skill.

    Okay maybe that doesn't sound right, I definitely agree that it is skill based, and an okay amount is skill based, but the difference between a paying player and free player is insane.
     
  18. Winkleberry5

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    Just because someone owns a legendary doesn't mean they are going to run the bay in higher leagues, this game takes a lot of team work and skill. Ecspecially for people who play solo. (No fleeting)
     
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  19. OniZoro

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    ehhh not really, im at 1k infamy and im with level 10 rares/level 20 uncommons. If I had two epics or something that do as much damage as the enemy team sometimes does to me.. I could literally wipe out close to entire teams or do 3/4th of the damage
     
  20. monobrow

    monobrow Well-Known Member

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    Try playing at your current peak infamy level with greens bro..
    Let us know how you get on :)
     

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