What should be done with sniper? Poll

@ViscountSniffit @TheAntiSnipe

Can you tell me what are the in game adjustments you made to counter the Sniper Cannon?

 

So this comparison is done with t1 epic sniper, explo and blast. All have 2 perk slots.

All cannons damage boosts
15+10%

Sniper

Base dmg 114
Base crit 5 %
Base range 40

Talents
Dmg 15+30%
Crit chance 10%
Crit dmg 50%

Perks
2 x 7,5 = 15 % crit chance

Total = 163 dmg, 30% chance, 50% dmg


Blast
Base dmg 166
Base range 22
Base crit 1%

Talents
Dmg 15+70%

Perks
Dmg 2 x 8% = 16%

Total dmg: 324


Explo
Base dmg 198
Base range 25
Base crit chance 1%

Talents
Dmg 15+50%

Perks
Dmg 2 x 8% = 16%

Total dmg: 344


100 shots at sniper’s base range 40
Explo 0 dmg
Blast 0 dmg
Sniper (70 x 163) + (30 x 408) =
11 410 + 12 240= 23 650 dmg

100 shots at EC’s base range 25
Blast 0 dmg
Sniper 23 650 dmg
Explo (99 x 344) + 688 = 34 744 dmg

100 shots at blast’s base range 22
Explo 34 744 dmg
Sniper 23 650 dmg
Blast (99 x 324) + 648 = 32 724 dmg


So with this comparison total damages are
Sniper: 70 950 dmg
Explo: 69 488 dmg
Blast: 32 724 dmg

And this is a sniper-favoring analysis. It doesn’t take into account projectile speeds, leading required, the range increases etc. But if we take just base ranges and do 100 shots every meter

Sniper: 40 x 23 650 = 946 000 dmg
Explo: 25 x 34 744 = 868 600 dmg
Blast: 22 x 32 724 = 719 928 dmg

So in total sniper does 78 000 more damage AND has more range AND has better projectile speed AND is easier to land.
I don’t know about sniper users, but this feels op to me.

Edit: Added 2 8% dmg boost perks for blast and explo, evened out a little bit

 

Yeah... I don't think it's possible you can shoot 100 times in a game so that's probably not a good basis.

Also, some dev correct me if I'm wrong, the critical chance for sniper works independently for each shot. Which means that I will not have a crit 30 times in 100 shot but instead, I really just have a 30% chance for each shot.

 

It’s a pure dmg comparison, ofc it couldn’t happen in a game. But it gives us stats about their dmg.
And you are correct. 1 shot, 30% chance that it’s a crit. I just made it easier to calculate the non-crit sniper hits by taking 100 shots (because 1 % would be equal to 1/100 crits).

 

I voted to keep it as is but I can completely understand the calls for slowing down the projectile a bit to force players to aim it... it is kind of ironic that the longest range weapon in the game requires the least player aim of all weapons. I wouldn't complain if the max crit chance is dampened a bit either.

 

Lol who now wants to end the discussion because ”things aren’t going your way?”

 

Who told you that the damage from cannons should be the same? If the sniper has less damage, it will no longer be called a sniper, lol. And you did not take into account the waves, and stupid damage in a straight line.
The sniper cannon is taken primarily against the speeders, suggest replacing the sniper?

 

Hehe..thats not it.
I have made my point..
And people have seen why speeder want sniper nerfed.
Whatever stats you pull doesn't change The Fact people don't want it nerfed. People are smart they will choose what they want they won't listen to anyone above their personal interest like you are not listening above your speeder domination interest.

 

No, but common sense (clearly something that you don’t want to use or don’t posess) tells me that the cannon that
1. Is easiest to shoot
2. Has longest range
3. Has fastest projectile
4. Is unlocked at mid-game to its full potential
5. Has only 1 small drawback (low arc compared to other cannons)
Shouldn’t also do the most damage!!! And against speeder i suggest:
Learn to aim with blast, explo, rg, etc. And speeders could be nerfed all you want! Just create a thread and share your idea!

 

If your comparing it to actual world then actual sniper gun have high damage(one shot kill), high projectile speed), shoot becomes easier closer the target is...
If you suggest any option without compromising these, i m all ears

 

It's drawback is it heavily relies on chance. If your shot doesn't crit, you will only deal a small amount of damage. You forget to mention that.

 

Still waiting for the response. hmmm...

 

So what you are saying is
”I don’t care what the facts are, you are just a whiner”. And nobody wants the weapon they use get nerfed. But facts are facts, unless you have some alternative ones.
And i know your point is that sniper shouldn’t be nerfed but where are your facts to support that?

 

No need to fight bro...
You made your point, i made mine...
Devs know the stats better...let them do the thinking...

 

People are complaining but I find sniper cannon well as it is, the problem is that cannon crit chance has to be reworked ! As it is right now crits are a percentage and not a real hit, for example yesterday, I landed a blast cannon shot on a burning speeder very accurate and at the max range over a wave and it critted for 1900 ! That was very satisfying because of the hard shot, and it was a real “critical hit” because it was on a much more difficult angle than I usually land, so what I think cannons should have is a percentage based on the difficulty of the shot. When the annoying Nice shot appears and it was an ez shot the crit chance is increased a bit, but when it is a “nice shot” a “long shot” and it was difficult it has to be a 45% crit.

In sniper increase of crit (in this system) means that the “ nice shot “ is a 30% crit and the “long shot” + “nice shot” would mean a “crit kill”! But it shouldn’t crit when I’m up close and personal with a a shooter because there is no ability required to smash the fire button

 

I don't know if you are dodging my question but let me ask you directly. What are the in game adjustments you made to counter the Sniper Cannon before asking for a nerf?