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What should be done with sniper? Poll

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by DragonLegend, 1 Feb 2018.

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What should be done to Sniper Canon

  1. Decrease critical chance

    10 vote(s)
    9.3%
  2. Decrease critical dmg

    12 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Decrease critical dmg and inc.base dmg

    6 vote(s)
    5.6%
  4. Decrease critical chance and inc. base dmg

    3 vote(s)
    2.8%
  5. Decrease critical chance with closer it comes

    14 vote(s)
    13.0%
  6. Spread the Talent Tree

    10 vote(s)
    9.3%
  7. Leave it Alone

    53 vote(s)
    49.1%
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  1. Rainbow Warrior

    Rainbow Warrior Well-Known Member

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    Sooooo, every time you choose to shoot a a boat that is not a speeder is it because you're a noob that can not shoot better?... two-way syllogism :p
     
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  2. Disguised

    Disguised Well-Known Member

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    Just remove one of the +25% crit damage perks in the tree, and move the other one somewhere closer to the end of the tree(level 24 would be much more reasonable than levels 16/17). This way, the crit damage perks will come to more use, and much less people will be complaining about it's damage at huge ranges.

    EDIT: Those level 16/17 talents could also be replaced with something other kind, one of them could be an Explosive Cannon(ExC) projectile speed increase by like 20%, and have one of the ExC +20% damage talents decreased to +10%, because currently the ExC is a bit too powerful(and overused) in Nightmare League.
     
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  3. Help I Cant Swim

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    As a Speeder/Enforcer I actually have to agree with this. If there wasn't a chance of me getting popped easily for 1200+ with a sniper, I would be far more powerful in my mk5 speeder with 4300hp that will soon be 5000hp. Most other weapons I can simply dodge. Sniper is about the only one that can consistently put me down.

    On the Enforcer side of things.. my weak little mk5 Enforcer has a meager 3300hp and a single sniper shot can put me in run and hide mode for the rest of the game. Thank goodness I have a tesla shield otherwise I'd be toast to anybody with a sniper. That is basically the only weapon that can hit a good dancer.

    If you look at it as a counter to Speeder, then I'd say it is fine. I've personally put down my sniper for the blast cannons (although my blast and explosive cannons have crit chance perks lol :p ). I do have 6 rare snipers that I'm holding onto in case I want to go to the dreaded double sniper on the enforcer.

    I would like to see a slight change to it to make it a little less useful at closer range. But I really don't care that much. It's not going to affect me a lot in the long run.
     
  4. DragonLegend

    DragonLegend Well-Known Member

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    Someone is Making Sense....
     
  5. Help I Cant Swim

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    Only because I had an extra cup of coffee this morning.
     
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  6. ViscountSniffit

    ViscountSniffit Well-Known Member

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    It’s good against speeders because it’s good against everything, because it’s OP.

    Speeders are supposed to be hard to hit, that’s why they have less hp than any other ship.

    If you’re that worried about speeders, take a carronade with the speed reduction talents, it’s a hard counter. But people don’t want to take that, because then they couldn’t use it all the time against everything on the map. They’re not really concerned about speeders. What they’re concerned about is loads of easy free damage for zero risk. The fact that it completely undermines the whole principle behind the speeder class is just the icing on the cake.

    Where is the easy one click weapon to counter shooters, that never misses? I wan’t one of those. Like a Tesla Bolt that does 4000 damage against anything red. Give me one of those, and you can have your sniper.
     
  7. kurdish bndo

    kurdish bndo Active Member

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    now all 4 cannon have the same DMG ,speed,1% crit chance ....etc

    but then bhurt made some changes

    made STD cannon reload time faster by decreasing its DMG

    made BC do higher DMG by making it need more time to shoot again

    made sniper cannon speed faster by making it need more time to shoot again

    made EC deal more DMG by decreasing its speed,then given it more DMG by making it need more time to reload,then give it splash DMG by making it 2slots (heavier)

    so there is no reason that sniper cannon has more crit chance and its own crit perk,

    but it will never be removed bcuz devs use it noobs (75% of players)use it,and normall player nonskilled use it ,so every 3 of 4 players will start complaining about it and start leaving this game
     
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  8. The Friendly Fixer

    The Friendly Fixer Well-Known Member

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    I Think you Should Keep it How it Is :)
     
  9. Rainbow Warrior

    Rainbow Warrior Well-Known Member

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    That's not entirely true, at mk4, speeder can already equip a big shield without sacrifice a turbo (better blue item IMHO), the opposite occurs with Fixer and Enforcer.
    I doubt any fixer uses a big shield on nightmare and any enforcer uses a bandage. When we talk about HP, speeders is the 3rd boat :D
     
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  10. Help I Cant Swim

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    My mk5 enforcer will never have more hp than my mk5 speeder. But it does have a tesla shield to give additional temporary hp.
     
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  11. Kalbs

    Kalbs Well-Known Member

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    The poll has spoken "Leave it alone"
     
  12. DragonLegend

    DragonLegend Well-Known Member

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    Speeder this Speeder that...
    All those despite being the strongest ship..
    Anyone other than speeder crying here?
    If there is then I m listening...
     
  13. Rainbow Warrior

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    But the mk6 speeder will have a tesla shield as well :D The enforcer's second one, if rare, doesn't look worth to use it, any T-5 blast cannon shot seems to be able to stun its user.
     
  14. CaffeinatedChris

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    It's better to take a 4-second stun than a 2500-damage hit though.

    Even if it's an unevolved Level 1 Common shield, it will still absorb the entire shot before it breaks. ;)
     
  15. ViscountSniffit

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    Mk4 Speeder can’t equip a big shield and a turbo. A lot of mk4 speeders are running around with only 1700hp, and having to fight shooter with 4K.

    Speeder is not the strongest ship. Especially not below mk5. Try playing it, and see how you like running around with less than 2k hp, and only two guns, while shooters are able to kill you in two shots.

    Don’t forget, I play against speeders too, and they’re by far the easiest ships to kill. Just because there are a few speeders in the top 50 doesn’t mean anything. Look at the top 200, and the entire rest of the game: shooters outnumber all the other ships combined. Shooter is by far the most OP ship generally.
     
  16. Rainbow Warrior

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    I hate to be stunned, it's so much easier to receive an incredible amount of damage without an overboost... I will definitely use an tesla bolt instead of a rare tesla shield on my mk6 :D
     
  17. Rainbow Warrior

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    Oh, no? Sorry, bad memory :p everything else remains the same, speeder can have the 3rd higher HP on this beautiful game. From mk5.
     
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  18. Kalbs

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    What exactly is OP about Sniper?
    There has been multiple discussion here and I still don't understand what makes it overpowered.

    From level 1-39, from infamy 0-4000, mk1-mk5, I never felt that the Sniper is OP. It's just like a glorified cannon.

    Is it the range?! Learn to hide and when to show up. Don't be a walking target. Take cover.

    Is it the critical chance/damage?! Pfft. Chances. If I had the chance to inflict damage, I won't rely with chances and rather go with the constant. It's not even more than 50% chance.

    Is the projectile speed?! It's pretty much the same as regular cannon! You will be hit with a measly 400-500 damage. You can even dodge it with a sudden stop.

    But this just my personal opinion. You can use these tips or You can keep complaining.
     
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  19. CaffeinatedChris

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    Being able to use Big Shield is a major health advantage - the peak multiplier is higher (50% vs 35%) and the base HP before leveling them up is about 250% of a Standard Shield's base.

    Without wasting a slot, Defender starts being able to run Big Shield at Mk3, Shooter at Mk4, Speeder at Mk5, and Enforcer at Mk6. (Fixer at MkNever.)
     
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  20. DragonLegend

    DragonLegend Well-Known Member

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    Bro.. you try playing enforcer.. No Speed No health, Waste one yellow point on mk5, No big shield till mk6...Do you See any enforcer blaming any weapon?
    And if you are so concerned about low level speeder health ask for health buff, dont ruin a weapon.
    And I did see your post abt getting hit by snipers hard 1st. Sniper user do lead the shot and if you ever try it you will know its still takes skill to hit a speeder. And even if you somehow hit one, there is 55% chance(lower in less infamy) that it doesn't crit.
    2 nd. Should i also start showing pictures of explosive on my 3150 hp enforcer. 1000 per hit. 3 shots n i m down and i dont even wanna imagine crit of that thing. Lets nerf it.
    Its a game of strategy too, you just have to know what to do n not. Even if you are a speeder you cant just explore as you want, you have to use waves ,be unpredictable since Sniper is there only roadblock in speeder scouting. And If it comes to hit point defender will always win.
    You should work on your skill, rather than complaining Or just shift to your op shooter and stack op sniper.
     
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