We must demand that the RNG of Battle Bay be more transparent.

I'm just going to repost and expand on my rant from another thread because I believe that it is something that needs to be more visible and deserves it's own thread.

TL;DR: The gist of my rant is exactly what the title says. If Rovio is going to continue to use the RNG-based loot box model, then they need to be transparent about our odds to prove that they are not manipulating them to decrease our chances of getting items that we need (like they are already manipulating the special offers to be exactly what you need).

For some additional background info on the cancer that is RNG loot-boxes from a thread that was locked on this forum:
https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/the-p2w-and-loot-box-reckoning.15085/


MY RANT:

I'm sorry, @Ash KOT, but that is the most ASININE answer I've ever heard.

THAT IS A HUGE FREAKING PROBLEM. How can you possibly use that statement to tell people to "not listen to the rumors"???

Yes, it might just be "random players guessing." But it is not ILLOGICAL to think that Rovio would do something like this to make as much money as possible when THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON.

PLUS: They have already PROVEN THAT THEY PRESENT THE SPECIAL OFFERS BASED ON WHAT YOU NEED!! So it is not even that far-fetched to consider the possibility of them reducing your chance to get the item you need since they are already manipulating their offer system.

Add on top of that the only real forum of information or discussion for their game is OWNED AND RUN BY ROVIO. This is like a government owning the media outlets and only putting out exactly what they want the public to know.... *cough North Korea cough*.



I don't want to start a conspiracy that Rovio is playing Kim Jong-un behind the scenes with Battle Bay. BUT it is perfectly logical and reasonable to suspect a for-profit company doing everything they can to make a profit when there is no way to prove that they are doing it because they are the only ones that can see their RNG algorithm.


Also to any MVPs or DEVs that would consider deleting my comment.... that would only fuel the fire. If they truly want to squash any conspiracy about RNG tampering, then they will find a way to be more transparent. I mean, FFS, it should be ILLEGAL to have a hidden RNG system anyways. Even if it is not YET ILLEGAL, it is certainly DISHONEST and DECEITFUL to have a hidden RNG system.


I'll end my rant with a line from a very famous John Mayer song...

"When they own the information, they can bend it all they want"

 

I agree here, honest opinion of mine. Let's clear all this up once and for all, though I think the devs are good peeps.

 

I agree. I like the devs. They are unbelievably responsive on the forums. And I LOVE this game. The players of Battle Bay DESERVE to know that they are being treated fairly.

 

Just for trace-ability, here is my reply from the other thread.
Please note as a warning if both threads start generating posts then they will be merged or one locked, just to keep us all talking in the same place.
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Thanks for your detailed post, and I for sure wont be deleting / or modifying your post, I am all for discussion.

Firstly the asinine comment, I think you misunderstood my comment.
I was stating that it is illogical to listen to rumours, which have been made with no factual evidence.
The algorithm is only known by Rovio so its impossible for anybody to state that they have heard rumours of how they force this or rig that etc.
This is a generic statement which you should apply to all walks of life, not just Battle Bay.

As for the second comment, Rovio do know and control their game, so are the only people who know the algorithm.
Nobody else other than those who have been involved with the coding etc can confirm nor deny exactly how it works.
I am not stating that this is a good thing or a bad thing, but why would you listen to a rumour, that was created by someone with no real knowledge of the algorithm?

You go on to mention that the rumour is plausible, and I have never said it wasn't.
It might be true, it might be false, but without any facts behind it we are all just guessing at what might be happening.

As far as Rovio controlling this forum, this is quite normal for games.
Activision, Supercell, Zeptolab etc control their forums too, you see this as a negative, but it has positive sides too.

We as a community can speak directly to the game developers, and all the posts are overlooked by the team to make sure the info is accurate, and Rovio can step in and help people directly in game, this wouldn't be able to happen without Rovio presence here. The devs also do release real information, statistics etc at times which wouldn’t otherwise be possible, and as a community we can even make changes / requests which have the possibility of being approved and implemented in game.

Personally I like the fact this is an official forum, and am glad we have the Rovio team here.

 

RNG stands for "Random Number Generator" - many things in BB have an element of chance to them, similar to rolling dice in an old pen-and-paper RPG.

 

RNG = random number generator. Basically it is the way that many games provide random loot. In a typical console game, the RNG is not a big issue since it is fair for everyone because you are not paying additional money to get another chance at the item you want. In a pay-to-win game with RNG loot boxes, it would be absolutely immoral to decrease a specific player's chance of them getting the item they need in order to encourage them to purchase more boxes or the item directly at an outrageous price.

All I want is transparency, which is not too much to ask for. When you buy a lottery ticket, they tell you your odds. When you buy a chest in Battle Bay, why don't they tell you your odds?

 

You are. This has been stated on the forums again and again. But there are always new players coming in who have not been following the forums and come up with new conspiracy theories faster than we can debunk them.

But once more: All items have always equal weight from the boxes. There is never any kind of manipulation that odds would be reduced for items which players want.

Yes, but isn't this just the user friendly thing to do? Would you like to rather waste your time and opportunity by getting offers for stuff you are not interested in at all?

First of all, there is nothing illegal going on in Battle Bay. Secondly, it's not hiding anything shady either. Every item within a rarity has equal chance from the boxes which is why it is not showing the probabilities.

This thread is very close to be locked. Not because of the topic but comments like this. Stay friendly and constructive if you wish to discuss on the Battle Bay forums.

 

Ah, that's a shorthand for "Renegades" but also might be a play on words for RNG.

 

Simply stating it proves nothing.

No. Because the offers differ per person. It might look like you are being nice by giving somebody something they need. But it also looks like you are offering different players far better deals than other players. Why do I, a light spender, have to pay more for a certain item than a F2P player?

Also on this topic, if you remove the gold/sugar/cells from these offers and just have the items, it would be a far better deal. You just purchase the specific item you need instead of including these items that you can easily grind for in order to pad the price.

Show the probabilities. Prove the probabilities. I can find the probability that I will get struck by lightning but I can't find the probability of me getting an item from a Premium Chest.

What is wrong with that comment?

 

No misunderstanding. The part of your comment that I referred to as "asinine" was the way you tried to tell people not to listen to the rumors and then used the fact that only Rovio knows if the rumors are true/false as evidence that if any of these rumors are actually true then Rovio would have had to start the rumor themselves and they wouldn't do that so the rumors should be ignored. That logic is flawed. Here is an example (albeit a ridiculous one)....

Rumor: The USA faked the moon landing.
The USA government are the only ones that would know if they actually faked the moon landing.
The USA wouldn't start a rumor about themselves that they faked the moon landing because they are the only ones that actually know.
Therefore any rumor about the USA faking the landing must be false because it was created by people who don't actually know the truth.

I don't like any game (or government) controlling the very media about them. That concept is generally accepted by basically everyone (except the ones in control).

I do appreciate that they have created and maintain a forum to discuss their game and they even come discuss it with us. I've only been a part of a few games that actually have Dev to player communication. I know that it is not free to do this, so thank you devs.

However, even if this was not an official forum, the devs could still do absolutely everything that you've posted here that you liked. If the main Battle Bay forum was on Reddit instead of here (which I'm not saying it should) then the devs could still:
have players come speak directly to them if they were a part of the subreddit. Review the information to make sure it is accurate. Help people directly in-game. Release real information, stats, etc. Read requests.

The reason I know that this would still be possible without an official forum is because it already happens with countless other games. I was big into Destiny 1 and (although there is an official forum) the devs were still active on the subreddit in the entire capacity that you've stated here.

 

I am happy that RNG has treated you well and I hope you get the legendary mortar you probably want. Honestly, RNG has been pretty good to me as I've got many epics that I still need to level and 16 total legendary pieces (7 red). However, this is not a discussion on the actual odds within the RNG, this is just a discussion on us being able to see these odds.

I am sure that if they post the odds, some people will complain that the odds are too low because that is always what people do. However, that should not be a reason not to post the odds and it is not like posting the odds will take very long.