The ULTIMATE Infamy revamp

So matchmaking so far is always based off of infamy which is gained from winning. I have here for a proposal that would make matchmaking much more fair.
There is this MMO on called Taichi Panda and how you get matched in PVP is based on something called "Might". How do you increase your might? Every piece of gear you put on your character gives you might. You base character's level also gives you might. Everytime you level up a piece of gear the might on that particular piece of gear increases. I want to apply this system to battle bay. I'll give some examples:

MK 1 ships: 100 might
MK 2 ships: 200 might
MK 3 ships: 300 might
MK 4 ships: 400 might
MK 5 ships: 500 might
MK 6 ships: 600 might
MK 7 ships: 700 might
Common item: 50 might
Uncommon item: 150 might
Rare item: 250 might
Epic item: 350 might
Legendary item: 450 might
Every time you level up a item it gains 10 might
Perks grant might too depending on the tier.

With this system, matches can be found based off of your ship's might value.

This system is not to replace infamy, infamy will still be used for leagues and such, but matchmaking would be based off of this new system to make matches much more fair.
Please share your thoughts and comments below. AND if you vote no please be provide your constructive criticism!

 

I fully support this. But I think this system will not be implemented because matches will become totally dependent on skill, meaning people's win rates will no longer be forced to 50%. So the noobs will be totally punished while the pros will be winning non stop. But I actually find it fair, unlike the current system where the better you are at handling your ship, the tougher the enemies the game will make you fight, in order to force you to 50% wins.

It will also hurt rovio's revenue because people won't find the impulsive need to spend pearls to get legendary items. Because no matter what legendary items they buy, the game will equalize it by finding another opponent with the same strength.

 

There is a easy fix to this part in terms of not hurting rovio's revenue. How taichi panda secures its revenue is simple. In order to do this the infamy system should be abolished. World and league rankings are 100% dependent on your might. This gives incentive to spend because in order to have the highest possible might in the game you have to have the best items

 

i support it too but i guess the might of each ship should not go up by a 100 as it might put an mk1 with a legendary with an mk4 with 3 commons or so

 

Of course i have not thought out the numbers in detail enough to make it work but if you guys wanna carefully plan it out and help the devs please feel free to do so!

 

Yes might do but i think the actual numbering system is only fair if made by the devs as they can probably spend time fixing all the flaws in the numbering while we play the game lol

 

I like this idea and feel it has good merit to it. Some of the immediate benfits I see of it are:

* Reduction in Seal Clubbing i.e. you can't bring an under equipped ship or a lower than appropriate level ship into a battle as you'll be matched to those of fairly equal might rating.
* Players will have the freedom to trial other ships and experiment without having much detriment to others as there is no concern of falling into the above style.
*More relaxed game progression for casual players who don't have the time to dedicate towards gear development to keep in their current band.

If this was implemented then the tournament system should reflect it. The tournament levels you can play in is dictated by your might level. If this was ever to be implemented you would potentially rule out seal clubbing indefinitely as there would be no benefit at all to throwing a game.

Considerations to the banding would take into consideration the level of ship you use I.e. Master 2 requires a mandatory level 4 ship. There may also be a restriction on certain bands and gear i.e. no legendaries until Master Leagues 2/1 banding to help negate an overly biased game play.

As to whether there may be an impact on revenue I don't have a clue. I think people will always spend money though to enjoy and partake of the high end game play where the bigger challenges await.

Just my thoughts anyway

 

Hold up, in games like Overwatch and CSGO, all players only have access to the same items. If we match players according to their item levels, doesnt that in essence create a very similar system? Why is it that in those games they are able to so well develop skill groups and leagues while battle bay cannot do so should they switch to a item level base system? Taichi Panda is a hugely successful Mobile game and i believe their system works and can be successfully implemented into battle bay. They have professional teams surely who have thought it all out and so i believe there has got to be a deeper more complex level behind everything.
IMO, i believe you guys think about it the wrong way that it is more fun to have a challenge fighting against players that have better gear than you. Even if everyone has the same level of gear, there will always be a group who are good and a group who are bad. This is a learning gap that many games have. There is nothing wrong with a high or low W/L ratio. People will learn and get better, that's the fun in the game

 

I already gave the solution to the reveune problem. How Taichi Panda does it is by having the leaderboards be based on your "might". So basically the end goal of the game is to get the best gear you can get! if all gear have their own might levels that reflect upon levelling up and evolving. The incentive to spend pearls remains.

 

Understood, essentially to keep the current infamy system Battle bay requires MMR base matchmaking. The proposed equipment based system would work but only if the infamy system is abolished so as to allow Rovio to maintain incentive for pearl purchasing through having leaderboards be based off of equipment levels. Lack of a way to combine these two ideas has led the battle bay team to go with MMR matchmaking instead of adopting what Taichi Panda has done with Equipment based.

EDIT: now that i think about it in game like overwatch and CS:GO where everyone has the same level of items, MMR progression is purely based on skill. In battle bay due to the variance in items, the MMR progression is not as skill based as people want it to be. At higher levels, items do affect how far you can push. The big question i'm now sure the battle bay team has to address is HOW do you make the game as skill based as possible while maximizing incentive for IAP purchases. The system we have now is the best they could think of.

 

Lol Just Keep Me Away From Tier5 Epic Players And We Will Be All Right

 

In Overwatch, everyone does in fact have the same gear. That means it's 'not' being ranked by gear. It's by skill. Miika is saying that it works better to rank by skill instead of items.

I believe the infamy system itself is a perfect concept, but it has its own flaws. It does a good job of reflecting the difference between your skill and your power, but occasionally can fluctuate and cause your entire team to be wiped in an instant.

It's not perfect, but I think it's a perfect idea. We just need to give the devs time to polish it, fix the weird issues that can cause one team to often be far more powerful than the other.

 

I agree with @TheAntiSnipe. I don't think this is a boolean decision. It is certainly true that Usain Bolt's skill ought to matter. But all of his skill and ability could not overcome enough of a gear mismatch. Intuitively it seems to me that MatchMakingScore = f(Skill, Gear).

I still think, however, that fixing the incentive structure is job #1. That makes a total hash of the skill input to the function. My infamy does not represent my skill. It represents my assessment of the best min/max matchmaking situation to keep gold, sugar, and parts flowing. I would like to see what sort of matches the existing system put together if there weren't M5's at infamy 150. Possibly no further adjustments are required.

 

A Honda can never beat a Ferrari no matter how good the driver is. There cannot be such a big gap in gear. We need to match first based on infamy, then based on gear. If gear level gap is too big, you will not be able to get matches up. If your gear is too OP you will never find a match, too bad

 

A professional driver can win in a Honda if the Ferrari is being driven by a kid. But a professional in a Ferrari will beat both. It's not really about the skill or the power, just the results.

 

In battle bay if you got t5 legendaries, you are invincible to a player with all t5 commons. No matter how professional the player with the commons is and how bad and zero skilled the guy with the t5 legendaries is, he is an invincible god. The fact that there can be THIS big of a gear gap in the game is a horrific design flaw.

 

A big issue with BB is that legendaries circumvent the training tree. A newbie player can pay cash to buy a legendary item on day 1 whereas for others it takes others many months of training and nearly 40 captain levels to be eligible to put together an equivalent T5 rare item. It is the prototypical P2W model, but it just feels there is something missing.