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Boat Improvements for Speeder and Fixer (Slot Changes)

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Miku Da Yo 39, 20 Jan 2018.

  1. vis1234567899

    vis1234567899 Well-Known Member

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    Thats funny because I scrap everything I get but it got me a legendary carronade as a f2p so I am not complaining. Unfortunately, I wanted a two slot weapon like a big Berta or big Torp as I am way more comfortable with them.
     
  2. vis1234567899

    vis1234567899 Well-Known Member

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    Woah. This is getting out of hand. He expressed an idea that I like but u cant just doubt his skills as a fixer because he is more experienced than u. He has an idea that he thinks will help but now u are getting too pissed off about it. If u dont like it just say u dont- what if he is not exploiting, what if he really wants this to happen. And two big torps can make any speeder op and u know it and dont bring in past comments into this. As A MVP u shouldnt bring up any comments in a rude tone. He wants to make his ship better while also trying to help speeders and there will always be people who agree and disagree. And no sarcasm.
     
  3. vis1234567899

    vis1234567899 Well-Known Member

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    Woah no stuns at a low level are really low so no.
     
  4. kurdish bndo

    kurdish bndo Active Member

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    me too but i just keep some of them that i know i will use them if i ever use shooter again,

    as being f2p
    i wanna a legendary carronade to be aded on my speeder right next to lvl 39 epic ex cannon bcuz it will take alot to have even a t4 rare one ,but iam not hopeless.
     
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  5. kurdish bndo

    kurdish bndo Active Member

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    calm down
    ships should never be changed ,

    as i will never use tesla shield or stun so i would love that speeder have 4 red slot but i dont say it bcuz i knew others dont want that ,

    and this thread is on general descuaion not suggestion and idea , so this mean he is just asking what if it is a good idea or not ,it should mean like that but i dont know if that why he posted here.
     
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  6. TheAntiSnipe

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    1. Guys, I just added a poll because this adds some scope to this thread. I think it'll make it more fair to everyone.
    2. I'm NOT questioning @Miku Da Yo 39 's ability as a fixer. If I gave off that impression, I'm sorry. I, however, feel strongly that his "buff" for speeder is an underhanded strategy to remove the "flare gun" part of the incendiary combo. Even I agree that the flare gun heal blocks need to be refined. But this is not the way to go about it.
    3. I really think that any balancing changes that introduce themselves as buffs need to be discussed by every party responsible, and as such, blatantly saying something like, "I don't care about anyone's opinions" on an open forum is... Well, inconducive to progress.

    Above all else, if saying what I said is wrong for an MVP, so be it. I accept full responsibility, and any consequenses. Because the only offence I might have goes into making a poll, and saying my mind. @Babablacksheep , if being MVP means NOT saying your mind, that title is not something I want. I wasn't profane, and I never meant to be derogatory to Miku, I only wanted to point out that as a fixer main, he has a biased opinion to any speeder balance changes.
     
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  7. TheAntiSnipe

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    Let me explain my point. Tesla bolt is used at mk5 and mk4. Tesla shield is used at mk4 and mk6. If we compare the two, no mk4 will ever be able to run bolt+shield, no mk5 will be able to run bolt+OB+nitro IF the tesla bolt becomes a two slot yellow. Since the mk4 and mk5 are both midgame ships, this change will nerf them heavily.
     
  8. Kitterini

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    Interesting idea, but also makes us a very 1 dimensional support only boat. Not sure if losing Napalm for Tesla Shield would be worthwhile. But man it would be a fun concept if boats had different slot setups, fx;
    When you upgrade to mk6 you pick between support Fixer (3y) and 'shooting' fixer (3r). Then Rovio can make money with some obscure pearl cost to swap between the two.
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    Speeder:
    Its a rough suggestion as the difference between 1p and 2p weapons can be hard to see in alot of cases. But on the other hand this might actually be worth considering if 2018 is as speeder dominated as 2017 was.
    Another case where having the choice between 2 kinds of mk6 would be very cool though!
     
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  9. Stonebanks

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    Ok, this made it clear for me. You only want to run your op selfish fixer across the nightmare league and ruin the game experience for the others.

    That’s not fair. That’s not how things work. You’re ruining the mid-game and only thinking selfishly.
     
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  10. What's Up Player

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    I like the idea about speeders.. when Enforcer is limited on red slots and slot points, why speeder can't be on yellow ones?

    Everybody is crying mk6,mk7 speeders are just way too OP, it would be interesting to see how would they adapt to this change.

    Changes are what makes the game interesting.
     
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  11. vis1234567899

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    But that is if bolt becomes a two point item
     
  12. Babablacksheep

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    Exactly
     
  13. Babablacksheep

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    I m not talking about Two slotted tesla bolt,I stated that mk6 should have 3YYY a restriction against using Tesla shield,Just like its counterpart where anything except dual tesla shield any other yellow is will waste a slot,Where you cant use bandage/2 slotted red weapon.Bandage is a game changer and its prviledge is given to a faster yellow counterpart Which is unjustified since it has more abulity to dodge shots,although i m not demanding removal of bandage from speeder or addition to enfo. Just the tesla shield priv for enfo since speeder can heal itself to a great extent with bandage (Extra HP) And also it will make nitro more popular against monotonous Shield+Bolt+OB combo.This is no big nerf,Nitro speeders are equally good and can dodge a lot of shots
     
  14. Crashedup

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    I just don't understand your whining about enforcer can't equip two slot weapon news alert it can then it will have same no of weapons as speeder.
    Let's compare enforcer and speeder and save you from making vague pts.
    ENFORCER
    It can equip 2-3 weapons depending on choice.can equip 3 yellow items. No ability to equip bandage.
    SPEEDER
    Can Equip only 2 weapons can equip 3 yellow items has ability to equip bandage.
    Now comparison
    Enforcer can equip 2 tesla shield which last for 10 sec so the enforcer user is almost never without a shield up and epic and legendary shield are hard to break.
    Tesla Shield save a lot of hitpoints as compared to bandage who needs time to heal.
    A good enforcer is almost impossible to take down and it is the only boat beside speeder which can engage 2 boats at the same time.
    It has more dps than speeder because of three weapon and is right there with the speeder the worst to go against on 1v 1 because of its enforcer dancing.
    It's high reverse speed makes it the best boat to dodge enemy shots way better than speeder.
    In conclusion both boats are unique and provide special and unique mechanism to the game.
    Enforcer has the best ability to dodge and has twin shields to avoid a lot of dmg and higher dps with less speed ( which was buffed in this update ) and lack of bandage.
    Whereas speeder has lower dps and lack ability to equip twin tesla shield and enforcer dancing which is made up by better speed and bandage.
    Atlast nobody is forcing you to use enforcer if you want to use two slot weapon you can always use speeder.
    And about ur pt that make speeder have tough choice of choosing shield or 3 yellow items speeder do waste a red slot sometime
    The famous BC + flare gun combo leads to wastage of one slot pt.
    And as kitterini said 2017 was year of speeder at the top so was 2016 year of enforcer at the top as balcktail was the best enforcer in the game and he used to win a lot of seasons.
    Who knows which boat will dominate this year.
     
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  15. Riddlerpaji

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    Indeed.
     
  16. ryanllts

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    speeder should have 2 slot weapon and 2 points because its job is to scout and distract, not for damage. it is out of its role for a long time, all the nerf been around speeder, when you have speed and power at the same time, hp dont matter anymore and still op.
     
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    Speeder should distract and scout, but it still should be able to punish enemies if ignored. So 2 weapons 3 slots is pretty fair.
     
  18. TheAntiSnipe

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    I personally wont mind that. But we have to take into consideration the number of people who cannot change loadouts that fast. There's a lot of F2P speeder mains using excannon and flare, and scrapping everything else. Will Rovio compensate them with a oneslot(at least) of a comparable and playable level?
     
  19. TheAntiSnipe

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    Giving speeders a 4 slot point two slot red loadout will only be a buff to some assault classes, while at the same time basically killing the flare + blast/ex meta, which is still OK. However, I ask this again. Who's gonna compensate that poor F2P speeder main who spent a helluva lot of time and effort on building his epic t4 tesla shield?
     
  20. Rivet

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    Hmm... I have a suspicion this thread will be, and has to be locked soon.

    But as a player who plays all ships equally, I believe the fixer change isn't that bad, honestly, some fixers do far too much damage due to their healing capabilities added on. Perhaps not removing a slot, but giving Mk 6 only 2 points, so they can't equip two point items.

    As for the speeder, there is such a large gap between Mk 5 and Mk 6 due to the tesla shield. It is one of the strongest items in the game. Rarely do you see yellow boats not equip it. However, removing the speeder' s ability to use it would essentially make only the enforcer be able use the tesla shield with no penalties. Perhaps there should be another 2 slot yellow item added, and then see about any changes to the slot points.
     
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