Time to remove the specific weapon quests?

From a lowbie perspective (level 25), yeah I would mostly. In other words, the game has been feeding me the things I need to compete at about the pace I need them. Blue parts are a pain but I can't blame Rovio for that. I'm saving most of my blue/epic stuff rather than scrapping it. I see it as a long-term gain vs. a short-term loss.

Where I thought it got grim was when I was successful and pushed up in infamy well above similarly leveled captains. Then the economy broke for me. Better gear slowed to a trickle just when I needed it most. Few stars, little gold & sugar, few pearls, and much much harder time on the guild quests. I think antisnipe said it well. "The systems don't function correctly when you perform outside the developers' expectations."

Although I readily admit that the presence of such rampant tanking (both to lose infamy and for guild quests and other reasons like learning a new weapon/skill) makes a hash of any sensible progression system. Maybe the gear I have would appear more adequate if I wasn't seeing so many much higher captains at such low infamy levels? Rovio appears to attach a lot of stock to the infamy number when match making and that number can be manipulated by the players. I absolutely agree that the whole problem is more about the incentive structure than the players. It's not pertinent to this thread but the incentive structure problem extends beyond guild quests.

 

The quest could be play so many battle with fixer shooter fleeted, shooter speeder fleeted and so on . agree with all posts having to.use low lvl weapons for quest causes problems for everyone

 

In theory... but that's kind of hard, no? There's a conceptual conflict between "play as hard as you can" and "learn new weapons". You really can't have them both... not on a routine basis. In order to "get good" I need to focus on my chosen weapons platform and drill those instincts into my very soul. If I, over the course of my career, choose to try new things once in a while it's only a temporary thing. But the guild quests happen every week.

The bottom line for me is that if I want to advance i can't participate in the guild quests that don't involve my exact platform... no substitutions allowed. Even swapping the LRM for a fire bomb changes the play dramatically.

** edited to add **
The only way I can really think of to do this is to have non-infamy guild quest matches somehow. I don't think the player base is big enough to support that.

 

I don't think guild rivalry item dmg quests are broken. The answer is to either diversify in-guild, or to have a full inventory of weps to cover possibilities. I do think boards should be the same for each rivalry.

Before Guild rivalries I was a scrapper. I'd scrap everything to get the parts I needed for a specific upgrade. Now I only scrap those items I absolutely, definitely don't need. I've been building my inventory and upgrading items I need for specific guild quests. So now when we get STD mortar or missiles (which no one in my guild likes) I'm on it straight away with my T4 rares to get em done.

Without specific wep dmg quests I prob would never have discovered how much I love RG or trip torp. I still can't stand mortars but I use em if I have to

 

What you're talking about is related to willingness, effort, and time. None of this is fundamentally unfair.

I started guild quests with no carronade. Through hoarding and upgrading (only when doing a carronade guild quest) I now have a rare T4 which does a job when I need it.

One of the main benefits to guild quests, in my opinion, is it 'encourages' people to diversify their inventory. We will all be worse off in the long run if this is taken away.

 

Please come back to this thread once you have to deal 1.5milliom damage with underleveled rares vs top 100 players

I get your argument in theory, but in practice we are playing a game where alot of weapons are so horrendous, or have so narrow applications for usage, that almost noone has them at high end (Mortars, Tri Torp, St Cannon, Carronade). In practice we are playing a game where you need to find 4+ duplicates to make those trash weapons even semi viable and there is no way to get x item (aside from using $$$ to get more random items that might be what you need).

I can only guess, but I can Imagine that this is less of a pain at lower infamy. However in games packed with t5 epics and legendaries its unfun to be 'forced' to use low rarity underleveled weapons that are terrible even if you had a high level version.

 

Don't forgot the training too which play a major role in making a item powerful.
I really wish we should be allowed to switch captain whenever we want want without the need to retrain it and whether or captain is free or not.
Providing this feature will help us a lot and will add a lot of variety to the game and it's not like it makes money for rovio anyway.

 

A few people brought up a good point in that this is how Rovio wants the game to be now. I can support that from a concept (I do like to try new weapons, and it gives the game more variety). Maybe a lot of us players are that played before the change scrapped all and focused on a core set, but the new player today knows only to save all and level each a little bit. I am OK if this is the new way but the game economy does NOT support leveling everything slowly at once! It can take a year to level one epic and now the game promotes leveling all? We need more parts, more gold, more sugar. I have so much I have been hording and I cannot level any of it. Maybe I get enough epic parts to go up one level a week, for one item. Oh and if you want us to max our inventories you need to lower the pearl cost of expanding it. It gets prohibitive really fast.

Just make a decision Rovio and go with it.

 

Agreed and it may be my noobness but it seems to me that some of the weapons (I'm looking at you missiles) are pretty much utterly worthless until you have the training to back them up. Why does this weapon appear on the easy board? Napalm isn't even a weapon so much as a crowd control tool. Why does this appear on any <do xxxxx damage> quest? That's not it's purpose when used properly.

 

And what does it have to do with my comment?

 

...you mentioned training...
...he mentioned training...
...seems applicable to me...

 

Still think it's crazy that they haven't used the battle highlights for guild quests..
I don't don't mind the weapon damage quests too much, but they aren't very creative.
If they just split them into in 4 categories (cannon/railgun, torpedo/mine, mortar/grenade, incendiaries), kept the star and killquests and filled the rest of the quest table with (positive) battle medals I think it'd be a lot more interesting.
Hopefully solve the T1 cannon fool problems too..

Unfortunately it doesn't go without saying that all guilds in a rivalry should have the same quest tables every week, but it really should.

 

Yeah the weapon damages either need changed depending on the weapon or perhaps grouped.
Another issue with levelling items is when someone leaves and your then caught short and to many people with the same setups. That can really grind the quest board to a halt when your legendary tri torps shooter disappear etc. It can also take time to replace someone like that as normally most applicants are a case running snipers and big torps on shooters. “we need that for quests” #saidnoguildever.

I still agree with everyone on the rivalry’s should be all on the same quests. Some quests will be more suited to other guilds but everyone is in the same race. It’s annoying to find that your opponents have damage dealer, healing, big torps and snipers and you have napalm, long range mortar and carronade (although that’s my specialty).

Finished quests should also be refreshed to the next one after they are completed and the board rewards changed to after x quests completed. Then you also don’t loose days trying to chip away at one quest to get the next board.

 

+1000... genius!