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HP mystery

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Shadow Moon!, 27 Nov 2017.

  1. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    So here the deal I don't really understand it.
    Screenshot_20171127-215923_01.jpg Screenshot_20171127-220001_01.jpg
    Without shield my speeder is 2322
    (1750+400)*8%=2322

    With shield it becomes
    (2322+1626)*8%=4078

    Now the question is if I train 3% hp boost for speeder will become
    2322+3% or
    (2322+1626)*11%
     
  2. Ian

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    Second one, hp boost % goes after everything
     
  3. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    So hp boost takes into account shield hp too right.
    And if I did 5% to big shield then it will be
    1626+5%
    Or
    1176+5%
     
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  4. FirnenAhead

    FirnenAhead Well-Known Member

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    (2322+1626)*11% since the other crew boosts for hp are the current 8%
     
  5. CaffeinatedChris

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    I'm pretty sure this is correct, but I haven't A:B tested to be sure.

    This has the effect of making the "ship HP" multipliers extra-effective, since they take into account equipped items as well.

    Note that your Big Shield's HP is subtotaled first (so the item-specific perks and talents are applied there) and then the result is added to Ship HP.

    In a formula, it would be:

    (Ship Base HP + Ship Talent HP + Ship Perk HP + ((Item Base HP + Item Perk/Talent HP) * Item Multiplier)) * Ship HP Multiplier

    You can also check your Big Shield by tapping its HP to see how much of that is derived from perks/talents vs base score as well.
     
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  6. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    So if I did brock
    5% hp to all shields it will
    1626+5%=1707.3

    Total hp
    (2322+1707.3)*8%=4351.655
     
  7. CaffeinatedChris

    CaffeinatedChris MVP

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    Not quite. The individual multipliers are added before being applied as one - so you'll need to tap on the shield's HP itself to see what they are. I'm assuming right now you're probably at (+50 HP, +35% Big Shield) based on your level, so working backwards, the item itself it would be about 705HP base. Add 150HP per Epic HP perk, 50HP from your talents, and the 35% multiplier, you get:

    (705 + 450 + 50) * 1.35 = 1626

    If you get another 5% to all shields, the multiplier becomes 1.4 and you should end up with

    (705 + 450 + 50) * 1.4 = 1687

    Now that you've calculated out the item, you can add it into the "total Ship HP" equation, bringing your the total to

    (1750 + 400 + 1687) * 1.08 = 4143 (might get rounded to 4144)

    If you get the "3% more Speeder HP" talent as well, that then becomes

    (1750 + 400 + 1687) * 1.08 = 4259

    Seems like I need to make a quick calculator for this.
     
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  8. Tirth2_

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    I think it would be 4191! After adding 3% HP perk!
     
  9. Tirth2_

    Tirth2_ Well-Known Member

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    What I've observed from looking at the items is that ,
    You add the base numbers of HP including points from perks and everything, then add the % increase and then finally formulate the total as
    Total HP = HP calculated+(%*HP calculated/100)

    So it would be 4191! and not 4259.

    I might be wrong here! What do u think @CaffeinatedChris
     
  10. Gnu

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    Ok

    I still don’t get the algorithm
     
  11. Ian

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    It's literally just everything added up then mult by ship hp % boost.
    IMG_0897.jpg
    So it's all these numbers added up * 1.13
    For me, (1750+400+1547)*1.13=4177
    Not really sure why there is a % added in the perk/item category, idk what that could be. It's not shield % boost from talents so idk why it's there
     
  12. CaffeinatedChris

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    Not quite. You have to calculate the items individually first, then the result is part of the Ship HP.

    I'll break it down using myself as an example.

    The Ship:
    math_ship.jpg

    The Shield:

    math_shield.jpg

    The formula:
    (Ship Base HP + Ship Talent HP + Ship Perk HP + ((Item Base HP + Item Perk/Talent HP) * Item Multiplier)) * Ship HP Multiplier

    So for my Mk5 Fixer, we get:

    (2130 + 200 + 0 + ((365 + 350 + 125) * 1.3)) * 1.2
    (2330 + (840 * 1.3)) * 1.2
    (2330 + 1092) * 1.2
    3422 * 1.2
    4106HP

    Note that because of how this is calculated, the "item multiplier" for Shields are effectively increased by the "ship multiplier" - it effectively gets +56% rather than +50% in this case. As @Kitterini mentioned here, Defenders have an even higher potential "ship multiplier" of +58% - if they have maxed Shield "item multipliers" of 35% for small and 50% for Big, that makes every additional 100 base HP on a Standard Shield worth 213 ship HP, and each on a Big Shield worth 237 ship HP.

    Clear as mud, right?
     
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  13. Ian

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    Yea but all that is pre-calculated in the "item and perk bonus", which u can see as 840*1.3=1092. Your formula is more accurate/useful if u wanted to find out how much your hp would increase with leveling a shield however
     
  14. Jasper21

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    Simply put:

    To calculate shield hp: add up all the numbers, then multiply by the % shown.

    To calculate ship hp with shield equipped: add up all the numbers, then multiply by the % shown. Note that the shield hp here is your shield total hp, not the base.

    So a shield hp perk of +100hp could end up becoming +140hp to +160hp, because it’s first boosted by the shield % talent, then boosted by the ship % talent.
     
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  15. Tirth2_

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    Instead of complicated math,

    Total = (addition all hitpoints)+(addition of hitpoints)*(%/100)
    %- sum of all %s from perks and talents and everything
    For your ship,
    Total = 3422+3422(20/100)
    =4106!
     
  16. CaffeinatedChris

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    Correct, the formula is for total effective HP once the shield is attached to a ship. Even though my shield only shows as being worth 1092HP, when I equip it I get 1310HP more because it's added to the base HP before the 20% ship bonus is counted.
    Unfortunately the complicated math is necessary, because if I just added up the numbers that way, it would be
    (2130 + 200 + 365 + 350 + 125) * 1.5
    Which gives a total of 4755HP - while I'd appreciate the extra health, it's not accurate.

    @Jasper21 has it nailed.
     
  17. Tirth2_

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    U got me wrong there,

    Its,
    Total = (2130+200+1092)*1.2
    =4106!!
     
  18. CaffeinatedChris

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    That's exactly the same math I did, I just expanded it out more to show all of the detail and the extra multipliers that can be leveraged best. As Jasper pointed out:

    It's important to understand how that +100HP is worth more than its face value, and also how that value changes depending on your talent choices and even the ship used.
     
  19. Ian

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    oh yeah I was just saying that it was all the numbers added then times the % boost in my original post
    NOT the numbers from each individual shield, rather the number it shows under item and perk bonus when you click on "hp"
     
  20. Shadow Moon!

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    Someone needs to do guide on this thing:confused:
     

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