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the long awaited nerf sniper post :D

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Ideas' started by Clashinkov, 14 Nov 2017.

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  1. Clashinkov

    Clashinkov New Member

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    we got everything as a speeder ruined because of shooter complaints : tesla bolt and sheild , OB , frost , they punched fixers in the belly by making the pulse repair 50%
    any shooter has no right objecting to the sniper nerf , its pretty op and we cannot sympathize with the comfort of people who ruined our play styles just because " we dont have yellow slots but dont mention the defence of a defender that has one tier lower than us "
     
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  2. Help I Cant Swim

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    Well then I am the perfect person to talk about the Sniper issue since I am on BOTH SIDES of the issue. I am a Speeder main that gets wrecked by big sniper crits, but I am also a Sniper main that wrecks with big crits.

    The sniper needs a change. It is simply too versatile and overused. I've outlined the correct way to do it without reducing the Sniper's effectiveness at the ranges that it is supposed to be used at.
     
  3. Uerguy

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    I'm just talking about nerfs and buffs in general, which is why I mentioned the frost-torp combo nerf even though I play the shooter, I know the frost-torp bonus was important to speeders since they have only 2 weapon slots. And I'm not objecting any nerfs to sniper, I'm just warning everyone to be careful when they ask for any types of nerfs and buffs.
     
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  4. Miku Da Yo 39

    Miku Da Yo 39 Well-Known Member

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    Remove the sniper crit chance perk from the game. The regular Cannon crit chance perk is more than enough.
    Apart from that don't nerf anything else from the sniper. If anything buff it some more in terms of base damage.
    Like this comment so devs can see that the only nerf that is needed is a nerf to only regular cannon crit chance!
     
  5. TheAntiSnipe

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    Don't know if anybody answered you, but I have a move that I call the "pindown". Look at my video, "Remember the name", in the 1v1 where the defender shot at me with a blast cannon. You nitro beside your opponent, not nitro 90° to him. Then when he can't decide what just happened, 180° him. Works everytime, since your opponent is preoccupied.
    P.S. Dude, you had an empty map and team vision, why did you not flank the shooter?
     
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  6. TheAntiSnipe

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    Also, guys, I agree that the sniper cannon's close range capabilities have to be nerfed. Who's with me? I say, at close ranges, the crit chance lowers. And at a certain range, it becomes 0%
     
  7. Tirth2_

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    If it is a low-risk high reward weapon, why don't you guys use it too?
    Coz you don't right?
    Just because you don't use a weapon that's good enough, and get wreked by it doesnt mean it needs to be nerfed.
     
  8. TheAntiSnipe

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    It does. A weapon built for long range should never be as effective at short range. It's only logical...
     
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  9. Tirth2_

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    I dont think anything's wrong!! :)
    You should have a strong weapon to battle strong defenders supported by fixer!
     
  10. TheAntiSnipe

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    But really. Let's think about it. Devs agree that sniper cabnons were made for long range snipedowns. I agree that the godlike firepower of a sniper cannon is justified for this. You need to be terrified of that 1.3k crit. But I also believe that it is TOO effective at short range.
     
  11. Tirth2_

    Tirth2_ Well-Known Member

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    Yea! Just like I said it's a powerful weapon!
    I agree it is strong! But not strong enough to nerf it down!
    Look the thing is that sniper needs less skill to play, so its easy and powerful(hence popular) , whereas other strong weapons needs skill, i shouldn't be saying this but, not all players have SKILL. Those who have skill they dont complain n play variety of weapons! :)
     
  12. TheAntiSnipe

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    And when a skilled player gets their hands on a 45% crit chance legendary sniper cannon? Then what? I was a master sniper, I pulled shots from out of the sniper cannon's effective range. I have 1.3k battles of experience with that gun. But it is too goddamn effective at short range. Do you agree with that? If you do, then the short range part of this weapon's capabilities must be nerfed.
     
  13. ViscountSniffit

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    Wrong!

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    After seeing how utterly broken it is in the later game, I’m totally training one up, to switch. However, it will take a long time to catch up with my current weapons, and all my crew training is for Speeder and BC, so it’s not that easy to just ‘switch’ on a whim.

    Speeder isn’t the best platform for snipers because of the low turret. So even when I do get a good sniper, I’ll still be at a disadvantage against shooters.

    I might try switching to Enforcer so I can keep some of my yellow items. Otherwise, I’ll probably just stop playing.
     
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  14. ViscountSniffit

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    I was just gonna run away, but then I thought to myself, he’s on his own, I’m in my mk5, I have almost full hp, I ‘should’ be able to solo this guy (that’s what everyone says about speeders, right? That’s why they keep getting nerfed, right?).

    Of course I didn’t anticipate taking 1000+ hp crit before I could even land the first stun. Then I’m not sure what happened... In the video I seem to go a bit wide. It was one of my first games in mk5, and it doesn’t turn as sharply as mk4, and I lost a few points of speed. His turret seemed to catch up with me before I could land the second stun.

    TBH, I didn’t really make the video to get advice or feedback. I made it as example of what happens to a speeder when things go wrong (I know it’s bad). It’s a response to all the people claiming “speeders can easily just keep shooters on permastun”, like it’s no big deal. When actually it takes a lot of skill and precision to keep avoiding someone’s turret and keep stunning them at the right time. While it takes it ~zero skill to land a sniper shot at close range.

    People rarely post videos of themselves f***ing up, but I wanted to show people how easily it can all go wrong. Especially with the huge sniper crits. I would have had to dance around him for minutes to wittle him down with BC and EC. He’s able to bring me down from ~80% health, in about 6 seconds (not counting the time he spent stunned).
     
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  15. Tirth2_

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    Asking nerf for a weapon you use yourself doesn't make sense?
    Like u don't like seeing yourself on the winning side?
     
  16. ViscountSniffit

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    I’m good with it being deleted from the game. Some game mechanics just aren’t fun and games work better without them.

    It’s like having a chess piece that does a big turd in middle of the board. You could say: “maybe we could nerf it to only do a little turd?”, but why have it at all? Chess is much more fun without any s**t on the board.

    You say “learn to hide”, I say BS. Why should the dominant strategy in the game be people sniping each other from miles away, while everyone else hides?

    Long range sniping should be rarely seen annoyance at best, not the defining feature of the game. TBH railgun probably has it covered.

    100% agree with making sniper a crappy version of cannon, so that people stop using it, and all the hiding and camping can end, and be replaced by actual battling, with boats you can see.
     
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  17. Babablacksheep

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    Well let them nerf sniper,Sniper using shooters are only good against one another.Non sniper users Basically blast and explosive combo user suck as all rounders,But i gurantee they are best Anti speeders

    nerf snipers,and Speeders will realize what happens what if shooters Dont camp.Campers are noobs and speeders' easy target.On the other Hand slow projectile weapon users blast and explosive mainly ,Excel at 1 v 1 gameplay.Good for everyone if sniper get nerfed,Active shooter gameplay gets promoted and speeders are more doomed than they are currently...

    I have 2 Penta sniper users in my experience,None of them above 3k
     
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  18. ViscountSniffit

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    I’ll risk it.

    At least then I’ll be able to get into a 1v1 with most of my hitpoints intact. I’ll be able to sometimes avoid damage at medium and short range just with my speed :eek: (which was supposed to be the idea), and if unfriends want to aid their teammate, they’ll actually have to position themselves to do so.
     
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  19. BasedCarpen

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    Nerfing anything, especially one of the least used items in the game frost launcher, and leaving sniper is just ridiculous. The game is even more unbalanced now. It proves the devs have no interest in it being balanced and just appeal to the whims of complaining masses and nerf based on emotion.
     
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  20. TheAntiSnipe

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    Speeders are waaay sharper than most when they are up against an opponent that is near impossible to beat. I guarantee you, if they nerf sniper cannons, the game will be much more skill based, and any player worth his salt enjoys the effort of taking down opponents better than him or her. Also, this does NOT mean that the sniper cannon should'nt be nerfed, because the crits are BAD at short range. The sniper cannon is too useful in too many situations.
    It should not be useful in duels because it is NOT intended for them.
     

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