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Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Tobias Åström, 25 Sep 2017.

  1. The Otherguy

    The Otherguy Well-Known Member

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    I've been playing actively every day for over 4 months, and gotten 2 legendary pieces. One from common scrap, and one from t2 rare...

    P.S. 100% f2p
     
  2. Tobias Åström

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    Same,not one day off , not been playing all days but collecting the daily boxes and stuff but no..
     
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  3. The Otherguy

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    Its all rng...
     
  4. D3X

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    T4 Epic Max is far better with 4 Perk Slots, and the damage is equals to about an T2 Legendary.
    By the time you get one in about 6-8 months total playing time, you'll have a few Epics that do more damage than the Legendary. So by then you won't care as much.

    Edit: T2 Legendary not T3
     
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  5. behumble

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    New info to me. According to the item rarity graph, a lvl 40 epic is equal to a lvl 9 legendary. You do have a point with the perks though.
    Now tier 5 epic is equal to tier 3 legendary...
     
  6. D3X

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    Whatever the semantics is. The only way you can obtain a T3 Legendary is either with an incredible amount of luck or dropping a wad of cash.

    My point although slightly inaccurate, was about obtainability. And T3L is way out of reach for 99.9% of the player base, even for a player like me (in Nightmare and playing for 8-9months)

    Infact a T5 Rare Max is just as good as a T1 Legendary Max (Level 10), just slightly weaker by about 7-8%
     
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  7. D3X

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    You can’t buy an Epic T4 either, not even a T2 outright.
     
  8. D3X

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    I disagree. Majority would have several T1-T2 Epics which give you a far greater chance in getting a T3 or T4. A T1 Legendary will stay a T1 or at best if you’re pretty darn lucky a T2, but it will not match a T5 Epic or even a T4 Epic in terms of both damage and slots. So you are that Player-base, you just haven't gotten further enough yet.

    Give it a few more weeks and you’ll see how your chances in getting a Legendary hasn’t changed, but your Epics have a greater chance.

    Bottom line is. if you’re a F2P or even a P2P and not a whale P2W, your main focus should be collecting Rares(short term) and Epics(long term). Don't waste time dreaming of the Gold items, they aren't worth the time for F2P & P2P, play the game and focus on the Blues and Purples.
     
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  9. Crashedup

    Crashedup Well-Known Member

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    At my lvl I do and I would still care for them if I m in nightmare league because the tier 5 rare is still weaker than tier 1 legendary
     
  10. yellowocean

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    if you are not gonna spend loads of money, i suggest you don't worry about getting legendaries... think of it as "nice to have" so that you won't get frustrated... might as well focus on rares and epics, they are much easier to complete and can be done relatively fast even if you are F2P.
     
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  11. Miathan

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    I can see you haven't been out of the nightmare league for a while. There are tons of people in the lower leagues using t1 legendaries, and they don't have a t4+ epic equivalent sitting in their inventory. And yes, if you progress as completely F2P player you might get a t4 epic before a legendary, but you'd need to be super lucky to get ALL your items to t4 epic before getting that first legendary.

    Bottom line: legendaries are definitely worth the time and "focus" because they're good, even if on the long term a high tier epic could replace it.
     
  12. D3X

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    Your first Legendary might not be something you need? It will take months to get one and you will realize it’s not worth the time compared to Epics. @Miathan you can continue saying the same thing over and over but T1 Legendaries are barely better than a T5 Rare Max.
     
  13. D3X

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    They are about the same, same number of slots, similar damage. And for a low player to level it to Level 10, will cost a fortune in parts that you may not have.
     
  14. Crashedup

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    We get a plenty of parts rn I have 64 of them
    In one and half or 2 month play
    The damage is a little better and saves me the trouble of finding 6 rares and lots of rare parts spent on them to lvl it up.
    Tier 1 lvl 1 leggy is better than tier 5 rare in red slot weapons
     
  15. D3X

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    If you say so, Rares come way more often. You can build several Rares to T4 and T5 before one Legendary.
     
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  16. Stelmo

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    Any item that doesn't get its value from perks (missiles, tesla shield etc) is going to be better at T1 legendary than T4 epic and of course A T1 legendary is (much) better than a T5 rare.
    T5 talents also stay out of reach for the f2p until late game, at level 39 you're looking at well over 1000 pearls per captain to make up the sugar deficit. I've only got Bhurt to T5 so far(level 40).
    Looking forward to seeing how the new sugar overflow changes that.
     
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  17. Crashedup

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    U r post was about who cares for t1 leggy and I do that and I know it would take me over a year or two to even get one. Ur qoute was more like a wish so I cmnted on that and I will stop now as it's not helping the thread anyway :)
     
  18. D3X

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    OK I digress. Maybe a T1 Legendary is useful for low level where captain levels are low and skills are low, where Legendary can fill in the spot and help you get higher in infamy by loading on a T5 Rare / T3 Epic Max equivalent weapon by skipping requirements. Ie MK2 or MK3 with a T1L.

    To be blatantly frank, those that are low sub level 25 F2P or P2P should might as well stay low in infamy for quicker, easier, faster games for a better rate of progression for resources. Infamy is pretty much meaningless at those levels, and pushing too high would make progression harder, so while Legendaries might seem to be a good idea, most rares and epics would be able to do the job.

    Reality is, the rate to get a Legendary is so slow, that when you do get one between 6months to 1 year, and the chance of 1:17 Red Weapons Items, there is a high chance you're not getting what you are currently using. IF you do get one by chance, hallelujah! But by the time you get to MK5-MK6 (takes about the same time really, 6months-1 year), that legendary would be decommissioned in favor of Epics.

    For a mid-high to high/end game level f2p or p2p player, Legendaries are pretty much inventory space collectors.

    I get that some of you won't agree or even comprehend what I'm saying, but as you progress further you'll come to this conclusion eventually. It's only a matter of time.
     
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  19. CaffeinatedChris

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    Looks like it's time for me to drop some math again.

    Since the Sniper Cannon's damage is currently not scaling correctly, let's use the Explosive Cannon as an example.

    Before applying talents, the values are roughly:

    L40 Rare - 533
    L50 Rare - 628
    L1 Legendary - 635
    L40 Epic - 701
    L10 Legendary - 712
    L40 Epic w/extra perk - 722, 743, 764 depending on the fourth perk rarity (+3%, +6%, +9% damage)

    Why did I pick these levels?

    L40 Rare is the most that the majority of F2P players can hope to reasonably accomplish. The Tier V unlock in the training trees is way down there, requiring a lot of sugar; and then you also need the duplicate Rare item. Most players may get there eventually, but only for one or maybe two items. L50 Rare is the oft-stated "max F2P gear" and it's here for that reason.

    L1 Legendary shows where the starting line is for the Pay2Win crowd. All of that long grinding, praying to RNGesus, and thousands of battles that the F2P crowd goes through to get their one L50 Rare? Yeah, the L1 Legendary is already better than that with zero additional investment, and it's about on the level of an L35 Epic.

    L40 Epic is where even the Pay2Win player might find themselves stuck, because they can't pull the two duplicate Epic items they need to evolve. But they can take heart that after finding four of the same item, spending boatloads of sugar, parts, and money, they're slightly ahead of a L10 Legendary.

    And that L10 Legendary? Even without any duplicates, you're still going to be within a single percentage point of L40 Epics; and all you have to do is level it ten times. They'll be expensive levels, sure, but you don't need to worry about ever needing dupes or power cells.
     
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  20. D3X

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    Thanks @CaffeinatedChris for illustrating this. I'll add my comments to your thoughts on why some of it are misconceptions.
    Majority of F2P/ P2P(in reasonable amounts) players can accomplish this. It really looks harder than it really is, but long term wise, it's just time. Leveling captains is completely linear, you know exactly when the next level completes, and how much sugar is necessary for the next level, and with that an approximate timeframe on when your account can get to Level 39 etc. Bittersteel, Goonie, myself from Team Canada has accomplished this with perseverance and planning; when to save and when to drop pearls(earned from battles) to upgrade the next captain above storage capacity. L50 Rare is not "max F2P Gear" it's the staple of the F2P standard base level item for a Nightmare F2P/P2P player will be utilizing to the fullest when Epics are unavailable.

    If a F2P / P2P player comes across a T1 Legendary (See Goonie with his Missiles), that's all it will stay, as is, a T1L. And it would be pretty much equivalent of a T5 Rare Max item except with slightly higher damage levels and is looking to be replaced with an Epic of T4 or higher. I have a Legendary big Bertha sitting in my inventory and looking to get 2 more Epic Big Berthas before I scrap it. Nightingale from Team Canada has a T1L Sniper Cannon (level 10) and even he's looking for 4 Epic Sniper Cannons to get a T4 to replace it.

    Incorrect. P2W players have max Epic T5s easy: Gallo Rex, Diet Coke, Peelah, Bunta, AmericanMarauder, Elitist, WrinkleBerry5, Master Baiter, Banderas are some that come to mind and are all P2W Top players and they have T5 Epics with full Epic Perks on top of their high level T2+ Legendaries. There's no pay wall for Epics.
    L31-40 Epic is where F2P / P2P are getting stuck(we're I'm stuck! and Bittersteel is stuck! ), because finding 4 was hard enough already, finding 2 more makes it very hard.

    T4 Epic L31 with one more slot will be more desirable. That extra slot is huge; extra crit damage, extra hp, more burning damage, more damage, more range, more duration, more speed etc. Getting 4 will be a grind, but getting 1 Legendary from 10 pieces are equally a grind, it really works out to be around the same time.
     
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