Mines are overpowered.

I've noticed that as well, players develop the battle sense to avoid random mines somewhere between 2000-3000. Now I usually have to be really smart with the placement, or actively "force" people into them - i.e. pull or push, try to force position swaps, or mortar while player is on top of wave with mine on the down-slope.

I'm a slow shooter though, so my options are limited, I expect they are used much more actively by faster ships in nightmare league.

 

You're a shooter, you use mines as a drop and go weapon while you are moving. These speeders and enforcers use mines as their main weapon and learned how to place over walls into a group of 5 players in a way that makes it seem like their team has just placed the mine there

 

That's just great strategy/mine skills by those speeders and enforcers. It still doesn't make mines overpowered. And haven't we all been in those matches where a speeder and enforcer used nothing but mines, but they never hit anything that match?

 

I'm not saying they are overpowered. But there are small changes that could balance it a bit more

 

With balance chances you mean nerfs right? I actually think mines should receive a small enhancement. Not a damage buf tough since the damage is high enough already. But just a little bit less colldown, and quicker activation time.

 

In nightmare league they have mines that 1 shot kill full hp ships. You think that needs enhancement?

 

I have a mine that does 4.75k damage... Yes.Cry more. Be stupid and step on it more. BE STUPID.

 

I have a legendary mine that deals 2753 damage, and that's actually one of the stronger mines in my infamy range (3000). Most people in that range don't even have mines as strong as that. But 2753 damage, that's just a little bit over half hp on an mk5 shooter. It's not even enough to make defenders panic. And most mk6 shooters also won't panic over 2753 damage. And I even encounter lots of speeders with 4,5k hp. So mines really don't need a nerf. At least, not in the 3000 infamy range.

The max damage potential of my legendary mine is around 3800 (of course it will be a little bit more with captain training, but for that amount of damage you would need a tier 5 legendary mine, yeah right). So are you sure you aren't a little bit exaggerating that mines in nightmare league can kill ships with full hp?

 

Mines stay only 1.30 minutes and then they self detonate.
Mines already have longer cooldown and longer initiation time ( 4 seconds).

 

Look at the first match in this video. When you are able to do this with any weapon do you really think it should be enhanced? (Let alone it being a 1 slot item!)

 

Once I see one mine thrown by an enemy, I become extra careful and slow and sometimes don't even move much without seeing.

If my team has mine, then I move freely and chances of stepping on others' mines increases.

 

Kacabungis has 4.5k health. RNG Kenzer does not have maxed Epic mines yet.

 

True. But I was referring to how he just popped a mine into the crack of the tunnel and basically won his team the game with that 1 shot.

 

Yeah and i'm saying that there's more room to improve that mine more to 1-shot pop more than one ship with that tactic.

I've mentioned this exact strategy earlier.

 

Yea they really need to lower arc at least. I've been seeing the over-the-wall tactic a lot on crash and burn. But if not ohwell, I just won't pass through those areas anymore

 

Here's another one in a speeder.

 

I watch all his videos, he's really good

 

Battle bay has gone over this time and time again I don't use mines personally

but they aren't changing anything on them they are suppose to be dangerous
that is the whole entire point of a mine is to sink a ship in one

if they do let's say the same damage as the second highest weapon then everyone would use that and not mines because that will then be a mine that can be fired and then people will then complain that weapon is to strong because it does the same damage as a mine and then the mines will become pointless

Also battle bay has confirmed they aren't changing the colour to identify
Who's is who's mine because it'll lose there scare factor not knowing if one will blow up on you is part of the fun the only advice I can say Is
don't go over them and avoid them with your life

 

@Joeyaa and @D3X, plz tell me you guys are kidding. Please tell me you don't think mines need to be nerfed based on just 1 vid? He just deals around 2800 damage with his mines. And did you see how close he had to go to the wall? This was just genius strategy on his part, nothing overpowered about that.

All I see in that video is a guy that is a genius with mine placement. By watching the vid I'm even more convinced that mines actually deserve a buff instead of a nerf.

What's next... Will you guys call missile launcher overpowered because of waveblower? Will you guys call railgun overpowered because of bittersteel? Will you guys call explosive canon overpowered because of Punk? And will you guys call defender overpowered because of P0rthos? Those are all just players with exceptional skill, nothing else. Everything is overpowered in the hands of exceptionally skilled players.

So @Joeyaa and @D3X , plz get real.

 

Truth of a matter is. with A p2w game like this one, there's plenty of Overpowered weapons. The more you climb up the more you'll see them and be in awe. Is it Skill? I'm never too sure, it seems a combination of both. First video of Kenzer is great, but he's not the first to ever do that, It's not genius. Just common sense at 4k plus.

Missiles were overpowered, and Rovio balanced it. Railguns were even more powerful before with no range reduction, but they revised it in a earlier version. Explosive cannon isn't overpowered because it doesn't deal 4k damage in one blow. And defenders are not overpowered, they are underpowered on their own, they need a full support of other ships to be effective.

RNG Kenzer's mines do approximately 4.4k Damage as a T4 Epic Mine, not 2.8 as you claim them to be. You should look up how much they do at this level, i tried posting the details in this thread but nobody seems to read them.