Enough is enough

OB most certainly needed a nerf - 100% uptime, zero thought input required for whether to activate it or not and much heavier usage than nitro.
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The main issue with OB nerf is that it highlights how slow the enforcer is -- But that is a matter of buffing enforcer base speed, not an OB nerf issue.

I do suspect that we will see a Fixer rebalance in the next patch, if Fixers are meant to be a part of high end play anyway.

But who knows, I was not expecting them to hit a class with less than 10% penetration at top ranks this much and the patch did nothing serious towards ending the rule of our supreme speeder overlords When 19/20 boats in the top 20 are speeders it should be fairly obvious that balance is perhaps not exactly perfect!

Suggestion - Take a serious look at hp and turn speed for the mk6+7 Speeders. Or more controversial, cut 1 blue point to remove the option to run Big Shield on the banana boat.

@Miika Now that you are here; Some thougths behind the reasoning to nerf Fixer (and enforcer) harder than the dominating boat in Nightmare league would be appreciated. Was 3-4 Fixers in the top 50 leaderboard too many? Is 30+ Speeders in the top 50 ideal?

 

There : If it doesn't concern you, it's fine ! no need to keep it !
Seriously, 4sec is a long time being in open water.
I should say the same about Fixers then : Why not nerf it more ? After all, they can heal themselves very quickly and are hard to kill. You guys have duct tape. Use that instead.
You know where I'm going with that.

Also, HP on speeders / enforcers are weak. Cut 1 blue point ? You kidding right ?
Why not just remove those 2 boats (speeders and enforcers) since it's so troublesome ?

Regarding the top 50. Maybe it's a matter of choice ? Maybe because players love the speed it creates by using those boats ? Maybe if enforcers had one more blue slots, they would use that instead ?

But, again, we will never find a solution to what wasn't a problem in the first place. They nerfed the game for new players. That's all there is to it.
They said it, won't change it.

 

Let's whine some more guys

 

I know I should not bother with internet debates, but could you try to cut back on the strawmen and discuss what Im actually saying?
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1. Being a Fixer the OB nerf directly hit one of the items I have invested the most in. I dont have a viable alternative (as Nitro was so underwhelming for Fixers before I have instantly scapped all of them), so now Im playing with the new OB.
It directly concerns me & yet Im ok with that change. You arent, thats fair enough.

2. Yes Fixers will have to explore other setups now and thats fine. I am sceptical as to whether Fixers (from a high level perspective) needed to have their best build weakened this much (Heck, at all even).

3. Nowhere did I suggest doing anything negative to Enforcers - I even suggested that the boat could use a boost to base speed. If you want to challenge my views go ahead, but dont make up points I did not make.

4. Speeders are tied with Shooters for having the 2nd highest hp at mk6+7 level. I agree with you that low level speeders arent very strong, but I am not suggesting changes for them either.
Mk6 speeders with 7-8k hp was not unusual & now we got an 11k mk7 speeder sailing around.
I do you the benefit of trying to understand what your viewpoints are based upon (lower level play), perhaps we could have a more fruitful conversation if you gave me the same benefit of the doubt?

5. Players playing at in the top 0.1% arent all randomly choosing a boat - If you are that dedicated to reaching the top, you look for the path of least resistance. At the moment that is speeders and by such a margin that over half the top players use it.
Im not suggesting that low level speeders needs a nerf (Ill even agree that Fixers were too strong at mk3+4 pre patch), but speeders at mk6+7 are dominating to a point where most competitive games would have attempted to balance it ages ago.

 

Same, I do not wish for an internet debate. The devs can read what we all think and can make up their minds.
What's done is done and we can't change anything.

The majority of users didn't asked for nerfing (again) but for more contents: Guild wars, story mode, etc....

Good luck in your battle bay endeavor.

 

spot on about speeders having an advantage ages ago. but do they even care? I once posted that developers playing the game is a double edged sword. they could go either way... and guess what? they took to favouring a ship because they fell "in love" with one of their creations. keep it at an slight advantage perpetually.... and nerf specifically at certain individual set up over and over again... why? anyone's guess.

 

-MLG AIRHORNS-

 

Well if that is the case then why does a speeder win a 1v1 with any other hip almost always? Even players in Nightmare league have acknowledged this.Even if the two players are equally skilled the speeder will win most certainly.I for one am definetly for reducing one blue slot.