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Defender is pointless now: am I wrong? From one of original defender or die boaters

Discussion in 'Suggestions & Ideas' started by *JAWS*, 8 Aug 2018.

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Is Defender Pointless?

  1. Yes

    13 vote(s)
    68.4%
  2. No

    6 vote(s)
    31.6%
  1. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    That is not because defender is broken, it is because its boring to play a defender literally nothing to do except using 3 buttons all game. Asked plenty players personally everyone loves agility and speed or in some cases firepower. Defender shouldn't have anything mentioned above, that's the only reason its unpopular in end game.
     
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  2. Valkhadin

    Valkhadin Active Member

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    They should remove the trash ship from game then, or make it viable as requested :)
     
  3. Nam_Nam

    Nam_Nam Active Member

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    The main problem is that they don’t do their job (DEFENDING teammates) . They have no blocking abilities (unless they wand their nearby allies to take 1000+ dmg from a torpedo)

    They need a yellow slot or some innate stat
     
  4. PastelPiku

    PastelPiku Well-Known Member

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    Nitro Defender!
     
  5. FearsomeChicken

    FearsomeChicken Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with 3 buttons being boring, I'm a defender main my whole life, if it was boring I would have changed my ship, same goes to people like JAWS, P0rthos, and youtuber like bernstone gaming (Bastone). You second point, I completely agree, defender has no agility, speed and firepower, and it makes defenders suck in 5vs5 battles.

    In a prolonged firefight, defenders always become a liability, defenders only excel in extremely well timed rushes, provided the team follows him. But most cases, defenders are the first to die, especially in nightmare battles. The moment you stand out even a little, the whole team fires at it, killing that massive hp in under 10 seconds. Why are defenders so targeted? Because they are a frigin sitting duck with "free dmg points" written on their head.
     
  6. SupremeCalamitas

    SupremeCalamitas Well-Known Member

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    The only thing defender is good for is events.
     
  7. SupremeCalamitas

    SupremeCalamitas Well-Known Member

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    2 suggestions:

    Give defender yellow slot for tesla shield ( maybe make it so OB and Nitro can't be used.)

    Or give defender green slot for duct tape an stuff
     
  8. YerJokinArnYer

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    @*JAWS* i absolutely do not wish to dispute your experiences in nightmare league in a defender. If you believe that NML Defenders are UP and can achieve better results in other boats, well thats fair enough. You have a great deal of experience of playing defender in NML, I have none.
    But the part of your analysis that, with respect, I can’t agree with is that this defender weakness extends to all Mk levels of the boat. I’m not saying that it’s not true, but I’m saying that you don’t have the recent experience of those lower levels to make that assertion. Your experiences do not extrapolate down to those lower levels.
     
  9. Ser Tomaz

    Ser Tomaz Active Member

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    The defender u talk about had rare blue items and perks in his gear while he made it in top 10 and over 6k infamy. Since his main account got banned, he played again as mk5 n reach NM league. Its all about skill and experience.
     
  10. What's Up Player

    What's Up Player Well-Known Member

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    Yellow slot to Defender haha I'm dying :D:D:D

    People on this forum have a really interesting sense of humour.
     
  11. What's Up Player

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    The truth has been told! Can't agree more with this.
     
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  12. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    I already mentioned everyone here is so keen on making their main ship OP. Like someone (fixers in particular) mentioning flare is op because they don't want their heals debuffed forgetting that missiles can 1 shot them without debuffs;)
     
  13. SupremeCalamitas

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    Harpo ( name didn't pop up on @ for some reason)
     
  14. ShipCrusherCz

    ShipCrusherCz Well-Known Member

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    Does it really matter?
    lower level defender experience
    my mk4 defender has 5.3k hp because I miss two perks to fill my small shield's slots and I have only one small shield so I equipped gearlube in the 4th slot
    due to the problems wirh items levels above 1k infamy, I usually got melt down by t4E firebombs or something like that...
    in this 2v2 event, I was able to do over 10k damage sometimes because it's much easier to fight 2v2, especially when your turret is able to chase yellow boats
    my opinion:
    it's awesome in events but it's rather liability in normal mode, it requires too many identical perks and items to make it really effective so it's hard to make any solid defender setup

    edit:
    there is imho no real place for skills when you have too weak items or don't even have the right items for defender, there are 6 blue items, for best results, you need only three of them, two of them once (turbo and big shield) and (at max level) three of the third item (std shield), you can replace one of the shield with gear lube or bandage but it decreases your durability so you will become burning wreck even faster
    you have 4 shields, so you need 16 hp perks to be really effective, that's not problem for high level players but it's hard for low/mid level players to get enough perks
     
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  15. YerJokinArnYer

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    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head about the difficulty in getting the blue items. I have only ever received one epic small shield ever. I have one T5R small shield. Lack of shields has therefore been a major obstacle to me trying out defender (even in events).
     
  16. Djradnad

    Djradnad Well-Known Member

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    I would really like to see more items that can be used on the defender, both blue and red to compete with small shields and to fit the cooldown design of the ship.

    If this happens the defender can live... the Facebook poll had ships vs items and I really think new ships would be fun, but it would only reduce defender usage without new items as well.
     
  17. ShipCrusherCz

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    Does it really matter?
    I have lvl 14 E big shield with two rare and one epic hp perks (1199 hp), lvl 13 E std shield with only one rare hp perk (471 hp), lvl 30 R turbo with perks of all rarities (+49%) but my defender's speed is only 1.18, lvl 5 E gear lube without perks (+30.9%) and my turret agility is 32.4°, I also have two lvl 1 R std shield but I don't have perks nor enough dupes for it to be worth leveling it up so I need to use my gear lube because leaving one slot empty would be even worse
    my defender is too slow and has too low hp to be effective, my 5.3k hp is nothing compared with mk6 shooters I meet in normal mode, they have 5k+ hp (even met few 10k hp shooters) so there is no point for me in playing defender, I have less health, speed, agility and fire power and I am also bigger than them
    maybe add mechanic which would scale defenders size
    jk, adding metal plates on your ship should have some consequences and low(er) hp defenders with size comparable to the 20k hp beasts, that's just ridiculous, that might help low/mid level defenders who don't have strong enough items, slightly smaller ship could help them survive longer, size would be capped, max size would be the current one and minimal one would be only slightly smaller than the max one, so no speeder-sized defenders would appear
     
  18. YerJokinArnYer

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    To be fair, I'd expect your mk 4 ship to struggle against a mk 6. You're doing well if you're competing against them.
     
  19. ShipCrusherCz

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    Does it really matter?
    I struggle with my mk4 defender, that's why I upgraded my speeder to mk5, it's too fast for them
    they have the weapons but usually lack the skill to hit me so I am able to win against them even at max ranges:p
    and no matter which ship I use, swift torpedoes with 1k+ damage will still hit me sometimes, same for 1.2k+ sniper crits, 2k+ splash damage from big torps that hit my teammates etc.
    I am probably more skilled than them, yet I don't have items to get higher because not only enemies are bad, also my teammates are shitty so they kinda pull me back (for example suicide shooters, people who intentionally splash torps etc.)
    I have mk5 speeder but my yellow items are weak, that's one of the problems
    I have lvl 21 R nitro and t2E overboost but only lvl 10 R tesla bolt, I could get second t3 R nitro but I want to save my dupes to get my current one to t5, my speed is also only 1.53 so I am not that fast without overboost
     
  20. PastelPiku

    PastelPiku Well-Known Member

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    I think OB and Nitro should be allowed, but have their effectiveness reduced. As far as I know, OB effects the ship's base speed, not final speed, so it probably isn't very good already.
     
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