Its not random/chance when it’s the norm.

Losing my tolerance for the infamy roller coaster. Streaks would naturally happen occasionally if it were chance, but this isn’t occasional.

 

explain more

 

What's your wins vs games played?

Matchmaking systems tend towards a 50% ratio. As you get better (i.e. go on a winning streak) the system should match you with harder and harder players. If you were to keep winning beyond your true "skill", theoretically you should eventually encounter a losing streak until you get back in balance. This tends to happen until you are good enough to be the difference between a win and a loss by yourself, which is when you end up being the highest ranked person in every match you play.

 

If every battle was a coin toss, you’d expect to wins some, lose some. That’s chance. If you flip a coin 20 times a day, an 18-2 ratio may happen, but it would be very rare. In BB, it’s not rare at all. In fact, it’s as common, if not more so, to have streaks of 5+ than to go back and forth. And in the midst of those losing streaks, when you have a couple in a row with the most damage and most kills, but you can’t get a W no matter what you do, it’s hard not to think it’s predetermined. And I’m losing my tolerance for it. I know, having been there repeatedly, that if I just ride out the losing streak, there’s a winning streak right after that’ll even it back out again, but I don’t ride it out. Lose 4 straight, I’m done for the day. VIP? Hell no, not anymore - why pay?? Seriously - why - if you’re going to win about 50% regardless.

 

You do realize that there are four other real people who lose every time you lose, right? Yet you think the game is somehow rigged to make them all suffer because it wants to achieve some "predetermined" outcome for you?

It's not that you will only win 50% of the time, it's that the game is continuously adjusting the difficulty level (read: those it matches you against) in an effort to achieve a 50% win ratio. Good players will win more than 50% of the time, hence Nightmare league. Those getting reset to 4k every two weeks who are able to climb back to 5k+ before the next season are clearly winning at a much higher rate than 50% - not because they are paying for VIP or some other nonsense - but because they are skilled players.

One of the best pieces of advise I ever read (think it's still a sticky in the strategy forum) is that when you are losing, the best thing to do is examine your own gameplay. If you don't think you can improve the way you play, or you think you are already a perfect player, then you may as well go ahead and quit as you will always be frustrated. Rest assured the players who are rising up the ranks are watching their replays, strategizing, and figuring out how to win in the current meta (yes, it changes).

Edit: It's actually right here in the general forum - https://forum.battlebay.net/threads...-help-you-through-rough-waters-i-think.13519/

 

This has come up before. So I decided to actually count my streaks to see if there is any truth to it, and I’m afraid there isn’t. You can read my post here:

https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/an-interesting-observation.14800/#post-81356

I believe Battle Bay might be ‘very slightly’ less prone to short streaks than a coin flip, because the probability is not always 50:50, it swings up and down depending on how over/under-rated you are. But it’s actually very similar.

It does concern me slightly, that Battle Bay matches people on streaks against each other. This is supposed to be in order to break streaks, but I think there is also a risk that the more underrated you get, the more often you are going to meet other underrated players, which prevents your games from getting easier, and may actually lengthen streaks for some people. The infamy system should self-correct without that kind of assistance, changing the system may just exacerbate the problem.

 

Of course I know there are four others. I also know I’m not the only person to have noticed how common streaks are. The other 4 are from the same pool of players - those on the descent vs the rise. These quests haven’t helped matters, either, regularly using ships and/or weapons that are underpowered or under-practiced.

If the game is so great at constantly adjusting its matchmaking, then how would players go from 4K to 5k every week - wouldn’t they be constantly playing against each other?

They could fix this by basing infamy on personal performance and not team outcomes. It’s already tracked, players ranked 1-5 per team. If total for game is to be +130 and -130, how hard would it be to switch that to rating both teams 1-10. 1 gets 35, 2 = 30, 3=25, 4&5=20. 6&7 -20, 8 -25, 9 -30, 10 -35. Give stars to winning team.

 

The rules don’t really apply to 5k+ players.

For most players, if we go on a winning streak, then our infamy will rise and our games will get harder until we stop winning.

For players at the very top, however, their games can’t get any harder, they are already at maximum. So if you’re able to consistently win at that level, then there is hardly anyone left to slow you down.

Later in the season they probably will tend to meet each other more, as they get further away from the 4k reset.

 

Quests for ships and weapons you don't use may be because you store items on your ships. If not, idk.
Also, giving more infamy to higher ranks and less to lower is a bad idea because some ships, like shooters, are designed to deal most damage, while other ships, like speeders, are meant for other things like distracting. Also, the fixer's healing contribution is messed up, so it won't be fair for them either.

 

Plenty! Always on stand-by to perform an idiotic thread putdown

 

Exactly I got tired giving constructive replies to this topic something like 14 threads ago.

Arguing with matchmaking conspiracy theorists feels like you're talking to a rock.

 

I didn’t complain about matchmaking - just about how streaky it is. I also didn’t go as far as to say it was predetermined or mean to imply that - I said in the midst of a losing streak it’s hard not to feel like it is.

There was a reply that addressed streaks that made some sense:
It does concern me slightly, that Battle Bay matches people on streaks against each other. This is supposed to be in order to break streaks, but I think there is also a risk that the more underrated you get, the more often you are going to meet other underrated players, which prevents your games from getting easier, and may actually lengthen streaks for some people.

 

I understand you're worried about that but maybe this reply from Miika will clarify how the system works:

 

Well said.

 

look at how bad my matchmaking is...its like this everyday I only win if my team Carrys me because I get one hit by blaster cannons and torpedos all the time

 

But still it is odd, when you reach a certain Infamy, you will be in for a fall. Always the case, then I get teams from whom you just cannot win, no matter what you do! We get wiped away in 10 seconds all 5. And I hit some boats 10 times and they are still going strong? 10 times 500 damage = 5000 hp. They should have been sunk by now.

I don't get bad from one battle to the next, but when I reach 1300 Infamy, I always go down hard. Then go up again to 1300 and then go down again. There is too much coincendence there.

 

That is a big problem. I have had so many battles where I did up to 3 times more damage on my own, than the other 4 Friends combined. Then no wonder I cannot win, it is not me, it is purely the teams I often have. True I make mistakes, but I get matched with people who just are not able to hit anything, float or cheat. Then it is no wonder we lose so much, is it now?