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The Deathmatch reward system, bias against fixer? edit:- The system is discriminating against fixers

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Roundtable, 25 May 2018.

  1. Roundtable

    Roundtable Member

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    The 3.0 update is awesome for implemented new content to game, but however why do I get the feeling that devs just copy old reward system into the death match (DM) reward system. Why i got this feeling?, lets take a look at my entire battle log for playing DM

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    out of 18 games in which we won, ONLY 18% of those games (4 games) managed to achieve a 2 stars victory
    out of 26 games in which I loss, ONLY 11% of those games (3 games) managed to achieve a 1 star loss
    Why it is so hard for fixer to get more than 1 star for when we lose and 2 star when we win. Simple it is because the reward system is completely bias against fixer, let take a closer look at those battle bay

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    as you can see the system clearly favor dmg than heals in DM, what the system is effectively telling me is "Screw you for playing fixer in DM" as way as heal doesn't mean anything in terms of contribution to the whole team i.e. healing your teammates when they are low health and keeping in game longer is a punishable act by reduced star reward when you win and no star when you lose.
    I understand if the devs says that "friends are easier to see than unfriends" but not to the point of heal doesn't mean anything. Devs either need to revamp the reward system for fixers or tell us how the algorithm for fixer reward system. It has literally take twice or triple amount of token and time compared shooters in term to reach 20/20 stars
    I could hear you guys saying "well switch to another ship then " Don't give me that nonsense, first i can't, because all the resources have been directed toward fixer build as well as the weapons apart from the current weapon I equipped are all tier 1 level 1, I can use but then I been in direct violation of the rule "play to best of your best abilities"
     
  2. StrictSalmon307

    StrictSalmon307 Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention less skilled teammates if you use weapons with less gear score.
    I play fixer to, had to switch to shooter for this game mode :(
     
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  3. Fixer Wiseman

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    Same ... switched from fixer for death match. There has been a few exceptions where people stuck with me while fixing, but generally it just turns to an all-out brawl.
    You start off by holding back but once all the players are all on the map it's more chaotic than the final battle in Lord of the Rings, no time for healing. Someone charges forward, dies, respawns, then charges again. Cant get much out of healing in that situation.
     
  4. Fixer Wiseman

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    I think it's just the excitement of it all. Hopefully people will calm down and realise that actually the fixer can be on many occasions be a game-winner. Hold together and wait till that impatient player gets reckless.
     
  5. Cricketmad

    Cricketmad Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully people will understand that you can win a TDM 1-0. Only thing stopping this is that the stars are based on amount of damage done which means players are more likely to not risk losing with nothing and go for the 1 star loss as a minimum by getting lots of damage through rushing.
     
  6. SupremeCalamitas

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    Switching to shooter= good idea IMG_0440.PNG
     
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  7. Roundtable

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    i think people are missing the point of this thread, FIXERS ARE GETTING SCREWED HARD playing death match, the following images are the ones that is just played very recently the star system is discriminating against fixers literally say to me "F*** You for using fixers" look amount of heal I'm giving 60k yet I'm getting 0 star for my contribution. really Devs is heal are really worthless in DM? Please do tell us so we avoid wasting time using fixers in DMs

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  8. Roundtable

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    How is this even possible, did the devs black box test the reward system getting the feedback and balancing the event before releasing the mode to the public, clearly not, intentionally screwing with one particular group (fixer) yet again, the amount of c**p fixers are putting up with update after update, might as well as just delete the ship altogether save you to hassle of listening to the complains
     
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  9. TonyStar123

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    Shooters are already taken over the bay, why buff them?:mad::(:mad:
     
  10. Roundtable

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    um this is about fixers, not shooter you have the wrong thread lol
     
  11. TonyStar123

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    Its the same thing dude, I know the topic is about fixers but it is techinally also about how shooters get more stars than fixers.
     
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  12. Mr. Patel

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    why should I even play fixer..??. if u just give me 1 star always. it's just an unfair reward system that needs to be improved
     
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  13. envylife

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    It's the same issue deathmatch or not.
     
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  14. Mr. Patel

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    Alright battlebay. it's too much frustrating as I am kicking my assssssss out to save all players and at the end I get one star. If this happens again and again why should I play FIXER??? why why why? if i play at this setup and just focus on fixing only to win a game I can win easily. But the question is let's say I want to achieve legendary perk at level 4. So that means I 'll have to win 95 games to get 95 stars while shooters will have to win aroung 50 games to get 95 stars. That is totally unfair that I have grind so many games to achieve whole other players who play shooter will achieve easily. Can any devs explain me why is this unfairness towards fixers????? @KilledWhale @TheAntiSnipe @ashkot @The Grim Repair @Miika @Pinecone @all devs.
     
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  15. AVID

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    Me too faced same....
    Actually deathmatches best for defenders....more hp...easy attack by going on them....
    Fixers have no proper reward in deathmatch...
    Many more loopholes in deathmatches.....
    Have to fix by devs....its new na..so takes time for fix...
    Experience and practice makes them to fix issues...
     
  16. Kitterini

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    This event does not encourage fixing Fixers thats for sure. It makes it painfully obvious how undervalued actual healing is.

    Other events might favour different playstyles though, and perhaps one will be amazing for Fixers (haha, not fooling anyone I suppose!).

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    Atleast the gearscore based matchmaking means that you can just play something else for a few days. Having fun with my mk3 Enfo.
     
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  17. Fallersaur

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    I am also dealing with this problem and have been for a long time.
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    My wife plays shooter at Ace 1/Nightmare...const constant 2-3 star wins...rarely a 1 star. I rarely see 2 star wins, and sometimes due to a miracle I get 3 stars. It's always been clear that fixers are not getting much credit towards stars...please devs help us out! I have mediocre builds for my other ships, so it's not easy to switch and still do well. Healing is heavily undervalued and self healing doesn't even show up on the board...so if I get torn apart in the first minute of the game because speeders dove in on me to remove me from the game, the board shows zero healing as I was panic healing myself. This results in players reporting me at the end because, "The fixer did zero healing".

    We could really use a quality of life improvement for sure.
     
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  18. SquashGaming

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    This is just stupid... I play fixer as well and want this problem fixed IMMEDIATELY. I swear devs purposely never respond to these kind of threads...
     
  19. *JAWS*

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    Yes fixers get less stars. But you also got more wins then 50/50. You won about 70 percent of your matches.

    Having been in dematch facing an unfriends team with a fixer. It is almlst a gurarenteed loss.

    Or the best I can fight for is 1 star.

    So yes....developers should address this by causing fixers to gain stars easier.

    But.... and A Big one at that.

    @Miika

    No deathmatch should happen with just 1 fixer. Even if it take 20 more seconds. There should be a minimal of one a side.

    This isnt just about fixers receiving limited stars.

    This is about fixers throwing the entire deathmatch win collumn to a specific side. Which in turn. Hurts everyones stars.

    So lets Correct both issues. Equally.

    Lastly Devs. If one boat keeps getting the most amount of star. Aka shooters. The formula needs to be adjusted so other boats receive greater stars, while shooters should get star nerfed.

    Or the deathmatch will be nothing but a shooter circle " ".

    @Zeus @The Grim Repair
     
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  20. Help I Cant Swim

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    Solid chance that Defenders were the best ship in TDM. Would love to hear the stats about most stars per ship type and mk.
     
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