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Standart mortar

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by nosesabe, 18 Apr 2018.

  1. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    The poor standart mortar... the loneliest weapon in the game... It’s so bad that I haven’t seen yet a post asking for it to be boosted and no one had ever written “standard mortar” as a tag of a post...

    But today it’s the day! Normally in the kind of posts where we ask for a boost/nerf we state the pros and the cons of that weapon and we then compare it with other similar weapons. At last we propose ways to improve it, so I’ll make it simple:

    CHARACTERISTICS
    PROS-
    1- It’s a mortar (so you can shoot over obstacles (like any other mortar).
    2- It has a little bit more damage than the ballpark mortar.
    3- through research you can obtain a cooldown of 8sec instead of 10.

    CONS-
    1- It has a radious of 3 (so basically you just hit defenders decently with it). As a comparison, the bb has a radious of 3.3 and the long range mortar of 3.
    2- Same projectile velocity as a ballpark mortar (with that radious is ridiculous).
    3- Low damage in comparison with its radious/projectile speed.
    4- The fact that it can have a cooldown of 8sec doesn’t compensate for the lack of damage/shot.
    5- Forget about hitting speeders and enforcers.
    6- Mortars are mostly used in shooter builds, where a 8sec cooldown isn’t very relevant.

    If I’m not wrong, devs thought that the 8sec cooldown would compensate for the low damage per shot, but in reality is not like that.

    COMPARISON:
    Standart-Ballpark—> taking in account the radious/damage/cooldown of both, the Ballpark is more effective,

    Standard-Bb—> taking in account the radious/damage/cooldown of both, the Bb is more effective, specially because even tho it’s difficult to use, you can deal a huge amount of damage per shot and it has a bigger radious.

    Long range-Standart—> Again, the radious/damage/cooldown of both, the long range mortar is more effective because with the long range you can shoot up to really long distances and you compensate the lack of damage with the high projectile speed.

    HOW TO IMPROVE IT:
    There are many ways to improve it. There are 5 characteristic that differentiate each mortar from each other:
    - Damage
    - Radious
    - Range
    - Proyectile speed
    - Cooldown

    Just improve one or more of those characteristics.
     
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  2. Babablacksheep

    Babablacksheep Well-Known Member

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    Berta is for-Damage
    Radius-ball park
    Projectile speed and range-Lrm

    All mortars seem to have occupied these characteristics like OP said.

    So the Only characteristic where standard mortar can be improved is CURVE.Reduce Curve a little bit,so it can be used where other mortars are generally blocked by obstacles
     
  3. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    I known I didn’t really say anything about how to improve it but here it’s why:

    There are many ways the standart mortar could be improved, so how about if the devs make a poll and let the players decide on how to improve it!? It would be the first time in bb history that players have actually the power to decide the characteristics of a weapon.

    I propose to make a poll like this:
    (Example)
    GENERAL QUESTION: Order from most important to least important the 5 characteristics that you think would improve the ballpark mortar.
    5 QUESTIONS:
    1 Most important:
    [_] Damage
    [•] Radious
    [_] Range
    [_] Projectile Spees
    [_] Cooldown

    2 Most important
    [•] Damage
    [_] Radious
    [_] Range
    [_] Projectile Spees
    [_] Cooldown

    And so on...

    We decide the characteristics, and te devs adjust the numbers to its balanced with the other weapons.
     
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  4. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    The long range mortar has less curve than others if I’m not wrong. In my opinion the curve is ok how it is now.
     
  5. Rainbow Warrior

    Rainbow Warrior Well-Known Member

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    I don't think standard mortar is worst than ballpark or big bertha... I tried them all on my Enfo a long time ago :)
     
  6. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    I use mortars a lot and between them all the standard is the worst by far.
     
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  7. Rainbow Warrior

    Rainbow Warrior Well-Known Member

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    Do you use ballpark and standard mortar? how do you manage Mortimer tree?
     
  8. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    Yup, I have ballpark, standart and bb to the Max and I ignore long range.
     
  9. Help I Cant Swim

    Help I Cant Swim MVP

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    I'm sure people have tagged a "Standard Mortar".. I'm sure you are the first to tag a "Standart Mortar"... Is this a mortar that shoots Stan darts?

    standard.PNG
     
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  10. Rainbow Warrior

    Rainbow Warrior Well-Known Member

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    @nosesabe , can you tell me what am I missing? When I used mortars on my enfo and now, after estimate how they'd look at level 50 (epic), they looked pretty much alike
     
  11. SupremeCalamitas

    SupremeCalamitas Well-Known Member

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    Excuse criticism, but why are you spelling it radious? Is that British or something?
     
  12. Hokuse

    Hokuse Well-Known Member

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    I thinking standart mortar may be different than other mortars with its low cooldown. 8 seconds of course not enough, it should be 7 or 6,5. With that people can use it for better dps.
     
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  13. Rainbow Warrior

    Rainbow Warrior Well-Known Member

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    That'd be cool
     
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  14. envylife

    envylife Well-Known Member

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    I opened a thread on this topic the other day: https://forum.battlebay.net/threads/standard-mortar-strategies-does-it-need-a-buff.18528/

    Summary:

     
  15. Djradnad

    Djradnad Well-Known Member

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    It’s better that the other 1 slot mortars if you are accurate, or if you use it to create a fast reload setup. For example on a defender or enforcer you can do 2 standard mortars with a cannon or carronade and have no delays in weapon readiness
     
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  16. Help I Cant Swim

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    I'd also add that the Standard Mortar might be the best mortar if it is your only mortar equipped. Such as on an Enforcer... I run Sniper + Swift Torp and then sometimes a mortar (Standard, Ballpark or Long Range) for quests. It is nice to have one mortar on the ship because it allows you to do non-LOS damage, especially if someone is fleeing. And it helps you stay alive if you have low health because you can still contribute from out of their view. The Standard Mortar works well there because it has the lowest cooldown, so you can shoot it more frequently.

    I also have absolutely no problem hitting Enforcers, Defenders, Shooters, and Fixers with any mortar. Speeders are tough, but it can still be used to alter their path if you put it way out in front.

    I personally like my Long Range Mortar most right now... simply because I got a Legendary. :p But I would have been fine to get a Standard Mortar as the Legendary as well. I would have rekt with it.
     
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  17. envylife

    envylife Well-Known Member

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    Yea if it's your only mortar it would be the best ;)

    Let's face it Std Mortar pales in comparison to LRM. While LRM has 11% less damage, it gets 40% extra distance giving me the ability to land a LRM 2x the amount of a Std Mortar... and I can consistently hit Speeders with it.
     
  18. ViscountSniffit

    ViscountSniffit Well-Known Member

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    No, it’s not, but the OP might be Spainish speaking (they love adding Os as much as British love adding Us) :p
     
  19. BasedCarpen

    BasedCarpen Well-Known Member

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    How to improve it: buff the damn frost launcher to two hits
     
  20. BasedCarpen

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    It's also a faster projectile
     

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