DevReply Why is the sniper cannon balanced?!?

Finally, a reasonable reply. The sniper cannon needs no nerf. It's like carronade- a nerf will make it pop out of existence

 

@Lil_Torta oops, didn't fully delete my reply to you. Sorry.

 

So there should be a spot in all ships to make any cannon shot a crit shot!.


Real life!
Sniper cannon hits your head and you are dead , and other cannon don't? If i hit your head with a gun you won't die? probably you will


And for ex cannon its bullet is so big maybe bigger than half of the head you want to shoot ,and it explode when landing , so his head won't stay on his body ,ex cannon should have 100% crit chance! Right?


But we are in ships battle ,so no heads here , but just normal weapons that are expanded ,so where did crit come from ?,maybe when a shot hits the place that captain /crew are ?then ex cannon has a bigger chance to hit it because of its big bullet ?
I don't know , that why i created this thread (why it crit , when it isn't connected to real life?)

 

We don't complain about standard cannon bcuz it is not OP with its low damage , and like you said if your sniper don't get a critical shoot it will be just like standard cannon (and you said that it will be useless) , so this mean standard cannon is useless ,no it is not useless or Op it is balanced perfectly ,
During your sniper cannon CD it will deal a bit more damage than your sniper cannon(that got no crit) but sniper Cannon's range and speed make them equalled .

 

A lot of people use it (probably the most used red item) even some sniper haters use it ,so this still mean it isn't OP ?

 

A lot of people use shooter, it’s the most used ship in the game. Does it mean it’s OP? Almost every yellow ship and many fixers use Overboost, does it mean Overboost is OP? Almost every ship at MK6 uses a big shield (except fixer), does it mean big shield is OP?

 

Yes, all the things you mention have balance problems, and have lead to the meta being quite stale. For OB and Big Shield the problem is largely lack of choice in the yellow and blue item categories, and the poor distribution between ship stats and items.

I’d rather not get into all the problems with shooter, as that’s a 50 page topic in itself. But in short, I think Shooter is too easy to win with at lower levels and plateaus too early in the late game. That’s actually ‘kind of’ balanced as you exchange an easier ship for a lower skill cap. Unfortunately, it’s frustrating for long time Shooter players, as they meet more highly skilled opponents.

The devs have been trying to fix that by continually nerfing Speeder, but that actually makes the balance worse, because Speeder was already balanced by being harder to use.

What Shooter actually needs is a nerf at lower levels, and more headroom + a higher skill cap later in the game (which would be a buff for skilled shooters). Instead what we’re heading towards is a ship that’s just easier to use and outdamages other ships for the entire game, and that is kind of OP.

Yes, I have (for the most part) been arguing that Sniper is overpowered.

However, the problem is complex with a lot of variables (like a sudoku puzzle). To understand the overall argument and why it is the only logical conclusion, you have to first understand the other arguments that’s it’s based on, and why they are also true.

In the post you quoted, I was talking ‘specifically’ about Snipers being overused. And I presented data which supports that point. A point supported by evidence, is the foundation that a good argument is built on.

 

You said this, but didn’t you realize it’s the same issue with sniper? There are only 2 long range point damage weapons in the game.

 

You said if the sniper cannon is OP then 95% of players will use it ,
So based on this all what you mentioned are OP? No why?

for shooter a lot of players use shooter because it is the first ship we play ,but maybe it is OP,
You are a speeder ? If so why if it 1 vs 1 the easiest ship to play against is shooter ?(for me it is )

All yellow ships use OB because if they didn't they won't be fast enough to be a real yellow boat ,and also there is no other good yellow item to use

And big shield isn't OP ,?? A lvl 50 epic sniper cannon crit shoot can deal like 98%-100% of a lvl 50 epic big shield HP , so if just you were visible to the enemy team because of their speeder , your big sheild might disappear in just one shoot .

And As it the only 2 slot blue item ,do you expect that a shooter and speeder and mk6 enforcer and defender to use another item instead of it and lose a blue slot ?

 

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May I ask, at what infamy ur at? @kurdish bndo

 

Exactly it’s due to lack of option, be it Overboost or big shield. Now tell me, what other 1-slot long range point damage weapon other than sniper is in the game for players to choose? The point I’m trying to make you understand is that, an item can be popular and used by many players because of the ease of using it, or the lack of option, or others.. not necessarily be due to OPness.. got it?

 

Seriously replying to this thread is giving me cancer. Firstly, we got a reply from a dev saying there’s nothing broken from the sniper data. Secondly, in the multiple sniper nerf threads with polls, I believe most people voted not nerfing (correct me if I’m wrong because I didn’t check).

So why don’t you guys stop complaining and improve your own skills and play the game better and smarter? Learn how to work together with your team, how to position yourself smartly (especially speeder) and choosing the right time to charge forward will let you win more games and climb infamy. Unwatch thread

 

3300-3500 i can not check it right now

 

You left out the part where I was talking about cooldown. You pick and chose which parts of my comments you want leaving out the full scope of everything else to prove a point.

I said Sniper would be useless without Crit cause it would deal LESS DAMAGE without its Crit. Cause with a 12Sec Cooldown compared to a Standard Canon’s Cooldown why would I choose a garaunteed 533 every 12 Seconds over Standard Canons 1000 Damage every 10 12 Seconds.

So no I didn not say Canon is useless. It’s actually really useful in close range. (Kind of why I run it....) But I also like to run a Sniper cause it has the same damage potential as a Canon (if it Crits) but at a further range. It’s not a guarantee but a Crit for 1/3 of every shot isn’t too bad.

TLDR; No your wrong, I didn’t say Canon is useless. You did not use or understand the full context of what I said cause either you didn’t read or your trying to be manipulative to prove a false point.

 

Guys, the problem for this has already been solved. Make crits for all cannons increase with range. And lower the sniper crit damage a little bit. That’s all we need to do. It makes no sense for someone to be looking right in front of you, and crit you for 2100 damage.

@Gnu ‘s idea

I know, it’s me. .

 

Let's say that there isn't any crit chance perks and talent for sniper cannon (if it is like others cannon)

lvl 50 epic sniper cannon without perks can deal +700 damage ,so with damage perks it will deal +900 , it is enough even for nightmare league , beacuse it has its range and speed to make it balanced comparing to other cannons, it will deal 2/3 of blast cannon damage but with 2x speed and range ,so it will be completely balanced if it has crit chance and talent equaled to other cannons. Iam i wrong?

 

Yes EVIDENCE is a great foundation to base an argument. Surprisingly between us two I’ve been the only one to provide screenshots of final game results showing how “NON-OP” the sniper is, instead of spitting out skewed percentages based off “SPECULATION”. Thanks for making that clear.

 

I think it should be opposite because it make more no sense if you took 2k damage from nowhere ,than taking that damage from someone in front of you