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Why Exploding Cannon Didn’t Need a Nerf...

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by ViscountSniffit, 30 Mar 2018.

  1. ViscountSniffit

    ViscountSniffit Well-Known Member

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    I thought I might put the mini maps (handily provided by @The Grim Repair) to use, in order to illustrate a point.

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    This is Subzero, and where I need to position myself on Subzero to realistically land a shot with Exploding Cannon.

    This is also (for obvious reasons) the most exposed part of the map, where your average life expectancy is about 3 seconds.

    Snipers don’t have this problem, which is why they don’t need huge damage to be ‘worth it’. ExC is extremely high risk, and requires you to put yourself in some of the most difficult and dangerous positions in order to use it. Having to do this with 15-20 second cooldowns for EC and Tesla Bolt is totally unreasonable, when other ships are firing every 2.5 seconds.

    And before anyone says ‘don’t do that’, the only alternative is to take a back seat and ‘hope’ that your teammates will carry you through the early part of the battle (despite you leaving them a ship down).

    Please buff short ranged weapons to reflect their difficulty.
     
  2. Stelmo

    Stelmo Well-Known Member

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    Odd, my grenade loves that map..
     
  3. TheFixer27

    TheFixer27 Well-Known Member

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    TBH I didn't even saw anyone requesting for an EX cannon nerf once
     
  4. What's Up Player

    What's Up Player Well-Known Member

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    Now since I've been using 3 blast cannons to get legendary faster, I just realized how terrible sub zero is... I'm literally waiting half of the battle for the stupid waves to get lower to be able to shoot at enemies.
    With grenade it used to be my favourite map :p
     
  5. _devill

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    I used to take the same position on this map. I would not say EC nerf is the main cause for the change in my strategy but it was certainly a part of it. Now I hug the walls on the unfriend side of the map and return to my team if I take too much damage.


    And agree with you on the EC nerf. There was no plausible reason imo for the nerf. I have a rare t5 now and it's still not that OP. Maybe epics were the reason but then again we may have to look at NM for that and NM was never the best way to balance weapons as everyone has stocked up on the best possible setups which is not the case in lower leagues.
     
  6. ViscountSniffit

    ViscountSniffit Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I don’t really position myself there, because you just die really quickly. So I usually have to settle for not being able to shoot until much later in the game (if my team survives).

    I have a t4 Epic EC, which does about 1100 damage. It ‘sounds’ pretty awesome, but actually, it’s so difficult to get into range, and the cooldown is so long, I’m doing well if I get more than 3k damage (total) nowadays. Which is about 10k less than what other ships are pulling at my level.
     
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  7. Da Carronade King

    Da Carronade King Well-Known Member

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    Uh lol imagine a battle with a carronade. I have to wait until the enemy team has separated to be off any use. And my blast means that I still have to get close while some fixer crits with its sniper.
     
  8. Miathan

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    Luckily, the devs have data, which is far more useful than forum whining. If balancing was done based on what people are "requesting" on these boards, Battle Bay would have been ruined beyond recovery by now.
     
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  9. _devill

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    I don't want to see any more nerfs based on the so called data which Rovio may or may not decide to share with us depending on the nature of such data.

    What I want is to enjoy in this game by knowing that I am actually contributing to keep my win ratio at 50% and not being carried by OP teammates while I hide and hope I don't sink in first 60 secs or left out as last man standing just to give up.
     
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  10. ViscountSniffit

    ViscountSniffit Well-Known Member

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    If I had a decent Carronade I’d seriously think about switching. One of the most frustrating problems I have since the Feb update, is I’ll be right next to an unfriend with only 2-3% hp left (sometimes more than one unfriend), and I won’t be able to shoot for another 8-10 seconds, which is a really long time: a 1hp Shooter can basically cycle through all his weapons and kill me in that time.
     
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  11. Da Carronade King

    Da Carronade King Well-Known Member

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    Uh carronade is hard to use without a tesla shield- I dont use one and I struggle.
     
  12. Jerbears

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    This is a really bad map for explosive cannon, but each map has its weapon's strengths. On some other maps there are walls you can target and hit people that aren't even line of sight. It has its pros/cons like all other weapons. Kind of reminds me of a swift torp but as a cannon. Honestly tears up fixers when you get a solid crit at the right time. Hard for the other team to recover
     
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  13. Zen master

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    I load a weird setup, and have just had to deal with the fact that my ec is strictly for endgame hunting. I'll spend 2.5 mins lobbing and sniping until I can finally push close enough to ec someone. The nerf has made this even harder since I need to make sure that ec blast kills em, cause the next ec shot will be available sometime tomorrow.
     
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    Lol comment of the week #MVP
     
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  15. TheAntiSnipe

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    For carro? Run binitro on speeder, it makes up for the speed loss. And shotgun anyone who tries to get close;)
     
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    Yes but evn as u flee, a flare and blast hits u and then a sniper hits u. Often there is no cover. I like wayward pains as it has stuff for me to hide behind
     
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  17. TheAntiSnipe

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    You gotta keep track of "reds" as well, and once you fire carro, IMMEDIATELY go perpendicular to the enemy and nitro. You'll throw off some lead that way. That, or drift-nitro. These peeps cannot really lead diagonally.
     
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    Hmm, usually I just panic run
     
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  19. Blood Raven

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    Ec is still as good as ever. I played with t5 rare ec on subzero and other maps, had no problem, it still is a good choice.
    Not to mention for each map and situation you need to pull out your tactics. And speeders are the ones who were and still are taking good advantage of ec, the range was good enough to hit far enough from a safe distance, and the cooldown was enough to quickly unload two ec barrels in a single flare burnout, hence the nerf.
     
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  20. Crashedup

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    Brother what's the pt of making thread? Devs won't take there decision back even if they have killed us with the nerf they have a history of doing that and if I will say it's total crap to use now I will have some morons stating no it's useful now nerf was well deserved. Same case with tesla bolt
     

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