Defender ,, gear lupe and rudder!!!!!

Hi everybody,,
Now we all know that gear lupe and rudder aren't being used that much ,, and players that use the ship that actually should be using them ,, which is defender,, aren't actually using them,, because if u wasted 2 slots for them , the durability of the ship decreases a lot,, and the ship is relatively slow and doesn't much weapons as shooters to force the enemy to go back specially if it's using weapons that require long cooldown. And we know that the ship generally is doing well, but players who are using it at higher levels end up achieving low infamy compared with what they achieve if they used another ship. Now i think it's funny that some items aren't being used (rudder and gear lupe) and therefore i think that these problems would be solved if mk7 defenders (and maybe mk6) got extra hp ( maybe about 1.5k more) and the ship agility as well as the turret agility got decreased even much more to enforce defenders to use these items (since they now have enough hp and since they are the ones that should actually be using them), add to that increasing the max speed of mk7 defender to be the same as enforcer, not to run around but to give them the chance to retreat with other ships (or a little bit smaller but definitely more than its right now) ,, i think that would give defender players the ability to climb infamy at higher levels same as other ships , and gear lupe as well as rudder will be used ,,, what do u think !!!!
Thanks

 

Just run rudder and gear lube on defender and equip all HP perks

 

Naah ,,, doesn't work ,,, defender is useless with low hp no matter how good it's agility,, it becomes very vulnerable

 

Rudder or gear lube is better than a single bandage. Many defenders run bandage. There is no argument that defender "can't" run gear lube or rudder instead. Also you don't need both lube and rudder, either one works

 

Not really,,, for example gear lupe won't help u against torps ,, bandage or small shield instead that should be a personal choice,,, for example bandage is good if u r playing against a fast ship that hits and then runs away ,, whereas shield is more useful in a quick and direct combat .

 

Come to 5k and watch ships get destroyed by rudder and gear lube

 

I am saying that one of them doesn't do compensate for the other , it would be ideal if we can use them both ,,, but that's not possible since the hp would decreases a lot

 

Rudder = 75% gear lube
However gearlube does not = rudder

When u turn ur ship with rudder, if ur aship agility is higher than ur turret agility, ur turret turns just as fast as u turn ur ship. However a maxed gear lube can turn faster than a maxed rudder. Also gear lube is like aimbot and will help you lock on and aim much more easily and accurately

 

Rudder changes the direction of the ship ,,, and sometimes u just really don't want to do that ,,, u just cant say , okay gear lupe is good ,, but rudder is good enough .. each one of them is useful in certain situations.

 

You also can't say bandage and shield is better than gear lube and rudder. As stated by you, each one of them is useful in certain situations. So this thread is pointless, you can't have it all. Find your own path and just go with it.

 

Not really also ,, lol ,,, high Hotpoints lvl is a vital thing for defenders since they attract attention, since they are much easier to hit. What i am saying defender now lacks an important key , and players just can't start using gear lupe and rudder and waste much hp, since the current hp lvl without using them both is necessary to stay alive .

 

Not really lol, if defenders can run a bandage, they can run a rudder or lube.

 

Face it. Gear lube and rudder are useless, unless you use rudder on speeder. RoS is LETHAL

 

Not really too ,, lol ,,, lets do math ,,, if u are in 1vs 1 with a speeder ,, that hits .... stun and then runs or hides himself behind sth, i just cant chase him, lets say that 2 min are remaining and u are running a bandage that does 140 healing every 5 secs,, thats about 3.3k hp , i can't disagree more ,,,

 

You can use rudder/lube defender with turbo and shields to get to nightmare just as easily as all shields defender with turbo and an optional bandage. Neither is better than the other.
Of course a defender has to run shields but that doesn't mean it cannot run one lube or rudder. And again this is for mk6+. Lower monthly ships cannot spare these slots. There should not be any changes because lower monthly ships don't need gear or lube. Lower the most, higher the stats and less skilled the players.

 

It's not that they are useless,, they are just not woth wasting slots on them ,, and what i am saying ,,,, make it worth it

 

You cannot disagree more because #1 u only thought about what bandage contributes,
#2 u never once thought about how rudder or lube would contribute in the same situation. Where a speeder would be able to hit and stun you while u we're running a bandage u could not even land a single hit on the speeder. With lube and rudder, u can hit the speeder. That is the difference.
EDIT:
ONE rudder or lube can be substituted for a bandage OR standard shield slot. You saying that it is not "worth" is a horrible arguement. You are not valuing at all what rudder and lube is supposed to contribute.

 

Notice that u r saying ,,, rudder or gear lupe ,,, what i am saying we should get the chance to use them both,, but we can't afford it ,,, and those who are using neither of them would use one of them if they got more hp and the agility got decreased.

 

For us (defenders gear lupe is indeed more efficient) but we also need the rudder to be able to dodge torps and in close combat,,, i wish i can use them both , since the ship agility is very low,,, but i simply can't.

 

Such a long debate