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Do Defenders really have to be the worst at EVERYTHING to make up for tankiness?

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by Flipscuba, 22 Mar 2018.

  1. Flipscuba

    Flipscuba Well-Known Member

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    I mean, I get it. They've got pretty high health pools. And can pump those up even more with multiple shields. But to balance that out do they really need to be incredibly slow AND have piss-poor turret rotation AND the turning radius of a blue whale swimming through wet cement AND a hitbox so big it's functionally a torpedo magnet? Couldn't they do ONE other thing decently? Not like great, but just decently? Plus, with the more torpedoes and mines you see, the less those giant health pools matter when you literally can't dodge ANYTHING fired with something resembling competent aim.
     
  2. Miathan

    Miathan Well-Known Member

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    It's all in your control. Want your defender have better speed, turret speed or rudder speed? There are blue items for that, drop 1 shield and equip one. Defender is the only ship with so many blue slots, you can't slot 4 shields and then complain about being slow.
     
  3. Valkhadin

    Valkhadin Active Member

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    You can say however, that by dropping that one shield, you now only take one hit more than a shooter. Does your weapon setup now compare to a red tank whoms stats still sit better than yours? Only, with plenty of money and skill, neither one alone.
     
  4. YerJokinArnYer

    YerJokinArnYer MVP

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    I do not dispute your player experience at all.
    However there are plenty of threads already in existence about the weakness of defender and what could be done to buff them again.
    Please could you add your voice to those rather than creating another new thread on the same subject, as that would add greater weight to the overall argument.
     
  5. Nasher!

    Nasher! New Member

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    Well have you seen the update defender has been ignored again it seems the community is being ignored
     
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  6. Valkhadin

    Valkhadin Active Member

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    Graphical improvents to mk7 defender!!! SCORE!
     
  7. FearsomeChicken

    FearsomeChicken Well-Known Member

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    ikr, make defenders great again!
     
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  8. Help I Cant Swim

    Help I Cant Swim MVP

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    FTFY
     
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  9. Valkhadin

    Valkhadin Active Member

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    Lol great "looking", comedy gold!
     
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  10. EyeOfDoom

    EyeOfDoom Well-Known Member

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    At least you can stare at your mk7 defender booty in hd.
     
  11. SlayerofSergeants

    SlayerofSergeants Well-Known Member

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    LOL new update, no love for defenders. Further nerf to explosive cannon...
    • Napalm in combination with fire bomb/flare gun effects no longer gives multiple “damage to burning targets” bonuses.
    Thanks developers.
    Fix Defender!
     
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  12. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    I am a Defender player who has taken that route. Not many have so I am probably one of the top experts in the game about it. As I have posted many times, the hitbox is stupidly big.

    Many Defender threads, zero dev input, same issues still remaining across many ships and items. App rankng worryingly low. Conclusion, dev team is fail- with the resources of Rovio behind them and the amount of graphics/physics programming that has been invested into the game, there is zero excuse for the app ranking to be so low. So it's not just me, and not just Defender players, but also the free market who thinks the dev team is fail. They lack expertise regarding MOBA logistics and balancing. Graphics and physics are good enough, time for a MOBA-proficient dev team to replace the current one and fix all the balancing/items/gameflow/systems issues that the current dev team is not competent to perform.
     
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  13. Jowiee

    Jowiee Active Member

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    I hope the game won’t die because of imbalance of classes like most other games. This was really a great game. Defenders really need more love...
     
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  14. *JAWS*

    *JAWS* Well-Known Member

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    Still a great game.

    Now it's time for next update to be defender focussed. Attributes buff. Big time.

    Now to this current update
    .... Some here are missing out the factors that just helped defenders.
    1) flare breaks tesla shield. No longer do you big guys need to waste your ex cannon shot on a speeder or endorcer. Shoot flare. Break shield. Then fire ex cannon and blow em up.
    2) you see the length of time of every shield user. How many seconds left. No guessing.
    3) the mk7. If u aren't mk7 yet. Get there. It is slightly smaller (1%?)than it used to be. With no offending side wings to catch torps.
    These 3 things alone are worth 200 infamy points for a defenders using a flare and 1 ex cannon. And optional 3rd weapon.

    And these 3 fixes are positive for defenders competing against yellow boats. Thanks devs.


    We can glean from today's the devs do listen and adjust based off player suggestion. Ps the flare breaking tesla shield. Was Styx from nc guild and my own shared post for a bug fix.

    So keep making buff defender threads every two weeks sharing our best ideas. Attributes buff, raising universal hp. reducing the hitbox size, or universal cooldown for big blue when firing weapons.
    Eventually. We will be next.

    Developer team. We would prefer ie. Next update. Kindly. And if any devs would like me to pm a list of communities best ideas for defender buffs. I am willing.


    Let's keep charging big blue tanks.
    It will happen.

    Jaws

    @The Grim Repair @Miika @Zeus
     
  15. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why the side wings make a difference when the hitbox is an invisible box around and larger than the ship. The model itself is meaningless for gameplay. They could shrink the model to 10% of its current size and if the hitbox stayed the same the only difference for gameplay would be for the situation to become even less aesthetically acceptable and even more annoying.
     
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  16. Help I Cant Swim

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    I still am not sure I see a need for a "big-time" buff. Especially not around 3.5k infamy. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I just haven't seen enough evidence for me to say they need a major buff.

    I do think that maybe now that we have the gear score implemented, the devs can see how defenders are doing compared to their similarly scored adversaries. I'd love to see a chart of gear scores vs average infamies for every ship. That would be amazing and would likely be impossible to argue against.
     
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  17. Snapshot

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    I've never played a defender and hate "tank classes" in general in every game. I still think defenders need some serious rework. I don't really think minor tweaks are needed there. I don't think a giant HP pool is what makes a tank... or at least not a fun tank. I want to see defenders have active abilities they use to mitigate and redirect damage. I'd like to see defenders actually able to lead a charge.

    Give defenders Fuscia slots!
     
  18. xxxBISMARCKxxx

    xxxBISMARCKxxx Well-Known Member

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    lol is Defender even on the splash page? I didn't see one in the trailer when I went to update the app. Is that a Defender waaay in back (and not obviously blue) on the splash page, struggling to keep up? Completely forgotten or afterthought, hmm such choices...
     
  19. Valkhadin

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  20. *JAWS*

    *JAWS* Well-Known Member

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    No, not really is it?


    If not every post I have said about player meta usage isn't confirmed about ship popularity.

    Shooters and enforcers. Front n center.

    And we all know shooters will never get nerfed.

    The forgotten sibling, the ugly swan, the Troll in the Cave.

    That's the big blue ship that is still sized so massive. And completely obscured and hidden from splash page.

    Freud would have a field day with our design developers. @Dmg don
    Can see senior Developer telling design team. Make shooters and enforcers Front in center.

    Kind of explains why we don't have a true defender buff yet?

    @The Grim Repair

    @Miika

    @Zeus

    We are counting on our great development team to really swing for the proverbial fences and Fix Defender. Be liberal with buffs.

    Don't relegate our boat please to the ugly sister you never show their family picture too.

    :)

    Jaws
     
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