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Speeder=Tesla Bolt+Item balance system...

Discussion in 'Game Discussion' started by nosesabe, 3 Mar 2018.

  1. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    Im going to use mk5 or below speeders as an example, those who can’t use Tesla Shield and rely just on Tesla bolt to play decently.

    I as hundreds of other players did, changed my speeder for the enforcer even if it was my favorite boat. I personally didn’t even have a Tesla Shield and I leveled up one recently, but even with my low level Shield, it’s still better to play enforcer than speeder, and it’s all because of the Tesla shield.

    The Tesla shield was the only thing that allowed speeders to protect themselves and be able to get close to the enemies (if you didn’t get wrecked by a sniper cannon of course). By increasing BY THAT MUCH the cooldown time, it basically became unusable.

    What happened with the Tesla Bolt nerf happened so many other times with so many other items. Boosting or Nerfing an item so it’s fair to use at a specific level ITS A TERRIBLE BALANCING METHOD AND IT DOESN’T WORK.

    It’s abour time that devs start using other methods. We’ve proposed dozens of ways to balance the game and there hasn’t been any recent change to how items work. No change in the research tree, no change in the nerf system (by ship level instead of general nerf), no change in limiting a certain number of repeated items in the same boat... I think you get me.

    I’m sorry this post is just a complain post, but I think it needs to be said this clear. The game lacks balanced items and battles, the way the last updates are trying to balance these isn’t working and it won’t work anytime soon. Change the system.
     
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  2. What's Up Player

    What's Up Player Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why the nerfs are that much of overkill. Don't they test it or something?
    That's definitely not balancing, when they make something (item/ship) from overused to underused.
     
  3. Hokuse

    Hokuse Well-Known Member

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    Im a speeder too and i never think speeder are dead now. With the cooldown perks bolt can has 16 seconds cooldown, this is not too much. Before the patch, bolt used as a follow-up to flare and exp/blast. You hit with two and stun. When cooldown is over hit and stun again an again. Every speeder did same thing and this regular absurd combo almost made speeder unbeatable. In high leagues stun duration is too much to stop with tesla resistance. That nerf is the solution we need. No longer throwing bolt randomly. Now we must use it more tactical.
     
  4. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    That is true for end game not mid game. 16 sec is attained when you near max buzzkill not possible when you're mk5 or is it? Here we are talking about mk5 speeders being dead not caring about mk6 or NML or any other thing. Talk about mk5 and ace league not NML, please.
     
  5. Da Carronade King

    Da Carronade King Well-Known Member

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    Let me just say my level 10 rare bolt having so long a cooldown does not help against these mk6 shooters. I always find myself fingering that part of the screen hoping that the tesla bolt would reload faster.
     
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  6. Babablacksheep

    Babablacksheep Well-Known Member

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    You are good speeder, i have no doubt that very few speeders like who do not complain are nightmare to face against .... I lost two matches against you, nerf doesn't seem to have affected you at all
    Sorry, but there some speeders who still use the most dead combo of frost-Torp effectively.Like @Hokuse said the best bet is to learn to adapt the change not complain about it.
    How do even think you can enforcers survive with low level shield.. You have 1 tesla shield at mk5, and rare max can be broken with any T4 epic or T5 rare,torps penitrate, splash cant be blocked and on top all you get stunned for 4s if it breaks. The reload time is 20s.Funny how people compare it to 1 slot items which is better than it.

    I agree about sniper canons tho, it is a nightmare for a low HP speeder to get a crit which kills Half of their HP...

    One simple fact :---Tesla shield and bolt both will get better as you train Buzz.They suck at low levels..
     
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  7. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    How about reverting all nerf and you all guys adapt to speeder being op as it was? Why did you always complained about how speeders are op? You just have to adapt then too.
     
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  8. Shadow Moon!

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    And how do you explain some of the enforcers with rare level 2 tesla shields made it to NML? Is tesla shield still weak? And there is not 1 but many examples to look at after current balance changes.
     
  9. Babablacksheep

    Babablacksheep Well-Known Member

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    I know only one enfo in nightmare with Rare lvl 2,care to acknowledge other the huge no. Of nightmare mk5 enfo(as you say) pls....

    Look i dont want to pick fights, but crying for bad nerf will not change a single thing.. You will have to suffer instead since you are not ready to accept changes
     
  10. Da Carronade King

    Da Carronade King Well-Known Member

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    Tesla shields work as a deterent, nobody would shoot the shield and waste their shots as they belive it is high leveled, they dont know it is a low level one.
     
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  11. Shadow Moon!

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    I am suffering already with acceptance of all the changes. I have 10k plus matches means I don't lack experience. Played 3 setups effectively frost torp fire blast and sniper EC. There are some players with mk5 still killing with nerfs on but you can't take those as example you have to take general picture in account that in eagerness to bring down mk6 speeder devs have killed mk5 speeders same way they did to fixers back in july.
    Mk6 speeder is still damn good same can't be said against mk5 that is what I am saying nothing else.
     
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  12. Shadow Moon!

    Shadow Moon! Well-Known Member

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    And I am still trying to get back to my level in infamy. Its not easy to adapt and bring up new setup and rng is worst when balancing happens you can't get new gear even if you grind day and night.
     
  13. Rainbow Warrior

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    My explosive + tesla bolt speeder is just fine ;)... My explosive defender is damaged :(
     
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  14. Kitterini

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    Tesla Bolt is fine. They fixed a long time bug so that it actually blocks all healing for the full stun duration. Noone in their right mind expected that fix without some degree of rebalancing to keep it from becoming absurd.
     
  15. Shadow Moon!

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    It was absurd at end game. What is the solution of for bolt that stuns for 8 sec and has cool down of 18 sec ? Do we all camp whole match? And play a shooter game hide and hit?
     
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  16. Crashedup

    Crashedup Well-Known Member

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    Spoken like a true fixer
    It is so fine that only 2-3 person are using it in top 50.
    The balance done was perfect:)
     
  17. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    I specifically said mk5 speeders. There are no mk5 speeders in the top 50. And no, it wasn’t done perfectly.

    So basically you’re saying that speeders should adapt and start using another combo (torp/ice) because yes, Tesla bold is nerfed now?

    It’s absolutely not that simple at all, I can see you don’t play speeder much. If you have a explo/blast-flare combination in a mk5 or below speeder you have to use the Tesla bolt. You can’t just change 2 items like if it’s easy and start using torps, most people don’t have high level torps/ice to use just like that... On top of that, ice was nerfed some updates ago so high level ice would be balanced but low level ice is useless.

    ITS VERY FAR AWAY FROM BEING BALANCED
     
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  18. Crashedup

    Crashedup Well-Known Member

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    You really need to understand sarcasm
     
  19. nosesabe

    nosesabe Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha ok sry nevermind
     
  20. Snapshot

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    I'm currently a M4 speeder. The VAST majority of M4's I encounter do not have a tesla bolt. In fact I just died because one surprised me with it. So I don't think you can reasonably say that M4's speeders rely on bolt. I grant you that pretty much every M5 I encounter does have a tesla bolt. That saves them from me sometimes and other times not so much. Further, nobody I know at my level uses a tesla shield. The problem is that the enemy guns overpower any tesla shield I'm likely to mount so it's pointless.

    I'd suggest that you worry about higher mark boats if you're going to worry about tesla.
     
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